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Does anyone have any thoughts on the accessibility of music? I'm talking about music which we don't "get" right away, or cannot fully appreciate either because it sounds too simple or too noisy/random/complex upon first exposure. To some degree, this is culturally relative. One composition which one person can not enjoy until they listen many times and adapt to the patterns/style may be easily accessible to another, especially if the patters are more common in the popular music of their cultural environment. But I would like to know what, if anything, makes music more or less moving, captivating--makes you want to pay attention and think about it or feel it rather than tune out--regardless of ones cultural experience. I'll suggest complexity. Perhaps there is a universal range of complexity within which humans are physiologically equipped to appreciate or understand to be music and not random noise. The further away from the average or outside of the range a composition is the more exposure a person would need before they could adapt to it--and before they could appreciate it without effort. |
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adapting to and letting music grow on you sucks. if you don't like it, you don't like it, and that should be enough. why torment yourself when you don't like it? |
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i said that last week and people on this board LOST it my point was that my life is too short to fuck w/ bad music - next |
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that's just because they've spent too much time getting used to stuff and want to justify their actions. |
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and they get mad when i dont think everything autechre shits out is life altering |
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albums get 3 listens from me, TOPS - after that, shelved, thrown away, used as an ashtray / frisbee / plate, etc some argue that because i do this that means im a simple human being (simple minded is the usual attack) which i disagree with but i hardly feel the need to let electronic kids hurt my feelings or ego...dig |
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even albums you like? |
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no - i mean before i decide if i keep them or not |
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ah. carry on. |
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autechre don't shit out their records. it's the record company which releases them. |
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Hmmm, I can't imagine listening like that, I would never have listened to my fave albums if I'd thrown them away after a couple of listens... |
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your just building a "straw man" and torching it up... perhaps because people on this board tend to legitimate flammable stawmen? i don't think there is anything wrong with your approach to music. but i think it's a bit stupid if you think that everyone who doesn't follow your three listens policy is unwise. there are a countless ways to enjoy music and i think lowly of anyone who wants everyone to obey their personal way. we have enough damned puppets in this world i see no need to promote monoculture. and my point is that "bad music" might be a relative term. do you really believe that your brain's response to music is the ultimate measure of how good/bad a piece of music is? this is kind of worthless ideology that fuels intolerance the world over. |
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i wasnt saying anyone needs to follow my example, quite the opposite i was saying people shouldnt expect me to listen the way they do |
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i get jumped on like a pretty girl at a star trek convention when i say that the new BOC "isn't good" pure and simple |
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*jumps on euphonicfilter* |
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jivver, tolstoyed and qrter did a far better job than you at it |
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what's worse, being irritated with people who don't share your tastes, or being irritated with people who are irritated that you don't share their tastes? i believe that music possesses no meaningful features; all features are created by the listener (but are frequently attributed to the music itself). human beings agree about most things, so not surprisingly they often agree on the "good and bad" in music, especially when they share programming. more interestingly, there are some individuals who have a strong reaction to music, and some who have no strong reactions to music, who share the same cultural programming and agree about most things. i try to avoid kneejerk reactions to music because i've seen myself change my mind many times. this post isn't 100% accurate but it's close enough. |
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Who cares |
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There is no torment involved in listening to music I don't like. Initial curiousity often leads to enjoyment and I don't really see a problem either, it's just natural. Do you have a right to tell people how to listen to music? |
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i think 3 listens is fair. i often don't even give that. but sometimes, sometimes something will sneak in after 3 listens. rarely though. goes both ways though. sometimes i might like something on 1 listen and on the 3rd i'm sick of it. |
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I don't think accessibility has anything to do with the music. It all has to do with the person. The music itself isn't accessible or inaccessible, the person is. |
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sometimes you just dont want to listen to it a second time, so why force it. it needs some redeeming features. then again sometimes these can come from recommendations etc and not the music itself |
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both people and music exist in the world, which is decidedly not a vacuum and thus i don't think it can be said that all of the features of music are in the head of the listener, nor are they all to be found in the piece of music itself.... it is always a dialogue, and the things that draw us to music and keep us away from it are always a result of our relative orientation to one another (me and the music that is)... not very conclusive i know. i guess i just think there isn't a good answer for this question. i like Torture Garden's point about bad music not necessarily being an unpleasant experience. |
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