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What do you think of him? I'm studying his works right now (looking in detail at "Beyond Good and Evil") and I'm finding it a little dissapointing. I don't find it to be the work of a "great philosopher", but of rather an arrogant, embittered snob, and despite the severe denigration of the supposed prejudices of past philosophers, this entire work seems to be little more than a polemic justification of his own prejudices. There is savage misogyny, contempt for the mass of the human population, and an absolute lack of sympathy or empathy for the suffering of other human beings. Perhaps I just haven't "got it", or I am too stuck in the ways of "slave morality!" |
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at a hallowe'en party i was at, one guy came dressed (facially, especially) as nitzsche. so there. ps: get ready for some top-class performances delivered by monoid in this thread. |
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well.. all I can say is that you have to remember that he used irony a lot.. also, I won't really try to colour your view on him, but he's kind of in that back to the nature thingie (De Sade was in this). also, if you keep human all to human in mind, there needs to be struggles and stuff like that for geniouses to arise... |
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Heheh, good stuff. I look forward to Monoid's posts. Also, as I am quite good at misinterpreting others' ideas, I'd be interested in some pro-Nietzschian persectives. I hear he used to take photos of himself naked, flexing his muscles, to show off his power and stength and to increase his admiration of himself. I like that aspect of his character. |
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Whether or not he was actually mysogynistic is fairly debateable. There is actually a branch of feminism that follows Nietzsche's teachings. A lot of people overlook the fact that in some instances (in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, for example), the "women" are not actually women as such, more woman's personality in society/the world: the softer, gentler, more forgiving/mothering part. You can certainly see how it wouldn't exactly appeal to him. Some feminists have adopted this as they too hate the stereotypical "womanlly qualities". I'd love to see what he would make of the current "nanny state" :) |
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The thing is, I just find his idea of what makes a person "noble" fairly revolting. Subjigating those who are weaker? Getting rid of feelings of pity or compassion? Expressing one's "will to power", no matter how it affects those who are "beneath" you? I suppose I like ideas of self-sacrifice, treating all equally, and I detest any philosophy that encourages viewing people in different "castes". |
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i've been reading 'beyond good and evil' recently, on and off. he suggests that eveything is down to an individual's interpretation, and yet seems to criticise many of these interpretations, forcing his own interpretations on the reader. Many sections seem, to me, to be common sense and i agree with a lot of his writings on Christianity. However, i think that i have overlooked many aspects of the book, being only my first attempt at reading it. |
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the thing about nietzsche is that he's no less intellectual and academic than, say, Kant, but he gives out the false appearance of anecdotal casualness. He has a great sense of the tragic, and in that sense he's not against "people". To find him haughty is to miss that, for example, he was one of the few intellectuals to sneer at coarse anti-Semitism, or that he was one of the rarest of cosmopolitans and multiculturalists. Plus, he knew very well what two thousand years of reign of terror can do to cultures. A great dissident to read, even when I disagree with him. |
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In walking through the forest, one must look carefully to see the trees. In reading Nietzsche, one must listen carefully to hear the deafening typhoon of irony. |
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It sometimes seems as if his fans interpret the darker, more brutal aspects of his philosophy as "ironic", and the more paletable sections in a more sincere light. |
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Ha ha! I know. I don't want to believe someone that clever is that stupid. :D |
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Heheh. Well, regardless of his ideas and what exactly he is trying to say, I will admit that he is a brilliant writer. I find his books exciting to read because of their style, clarity, and biting wit, regardless of how much I dislike his actual ideas. :-) |
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You have to read between the lines. |
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as cheesy as that sounds I kind of agree... beware of the places he say "we," 'cause he may be talking about how the rest of the world sees it and shit like that... the thing about the noble guy.. well, I wouldn't think Nietzsche would be talking about a noble guy as an ideal.. I think he's trying to show what it is "we" find to be noble in a man. mind you, I haven't read beyond good and evil yet, but from some of his other texts, that'd be my bet... |
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oh, btw.. my location is from nietzsche. |
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"There is savage misogyny, contempt for the mass of the human population, and an absolute lack of sympathy or empathy for the suffering of other human beings. " You say that like it's a bad thing. |
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he doesn t write about what he thinks in a direct way, he only talk about what he see's, and what he see's is us. or "we". The only true way for people to try and look apon these notions that he normaly despises, is by wrinting about it as his own ideas. He masters the ideas of other's and gives u a greater understanding of gloom aspect's of mankind with irony.. and so its easy to miss the point. or get to the actual point.. maybe what u understand of what u read says more about u and ur way of seeing things then it says about nietzshe |
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"maybe what u understand of what u read says more about u and ur way of seeing things then it says about nietzshe." i think that sums up just about anything... |
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"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." - Dan Quayle |
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Nietzsche was bad-ass. All he did was cut through the bullshit relating to philosophers trying to impose their view of a better world, which is all subjective anyway. You could argue that Marx did more harm by influencing numerous genocides in China and the USSR, even though he thought he was helping the human race to evolve. And all this stuff about him influencing the Nazis, maybe so, but at the end of the day, he was exactly the type of free spirited bohemian that Hitler and his buddies wanted to wipe out anyway. Nietzsche wouldn't have lasted five minuted in the third reich. |
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