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           tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2005-11-03 02:39 [#01768497]
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 saw the last night. they're good. easy listening lounge  jazz so not really something to move my brain, but a very  nice listen. they must have played for over two hours as  people just wanted more. i don't get our people - when cool  alternative artists come usually about  50-200 people  attend, but this time there must have been at least a 1000  and mostly young people. it's either e.s.t. are getting into  mainstream or our people just prefer jazz to anything else.
 
  jason moran with bandwagon opened for them and that was  pretty great too. he's a funny bloke..
 
  normally piano in jazz isn't my thing but both of them make  it sound nice. although trumpet is where it's at :)
  (and ribot's guitar..ohh)
 
  
         
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           Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-03 09:14 [#01768744]
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sounds awesome!
  est is kind of pop-jazz-ish (which explains the  turnout), but I defaintely like it. They've got a great  sound going and it doesn't have to be the worlds most  complex shit to move your brain.. in fact, minimalism is  often where it's at. 
 
  
         
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           tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2005-11-03 09:30 [#01768770]
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well, sure. i enjoyed it a great deal. infact those  minimalist parts were the most intriguing for me.  it's when  they jam it that it isn't complex enough but that's probably  just my high standards :) 
 
  
         
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           tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2005-11-03 09:31 [#01768773]
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damn, it's hard to find stuff good once you see spiritual  unity live :D 
 
  
         
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           Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-04 07:44 [#01769578]
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not even jams have to be that complex. just listen to booker  t and the mgs! 
 
  
         
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           redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-11-04 07:56 [#01769582]
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my dad got me into them. they're excellant. missed them last  time they came to ireland, and according to a friend they  were amazing.
 
  i'm surprised you describe them as "easy listening lounge  jazz".... especially in a live setting, they're meant to be  very, very intense. 
 
  
         
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           Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-04 07:57 [#01769584]
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it's still very easy listening.
  but easy listening isn't necessarily a bad thing. it just  means that more people find it instantly likeable.. I don't  see why that would make anything bad... 
 
  
         
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           redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-11-04 08:11 [#01769599]
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true, that doesn't make it bad at all..
  i'd call it accessible as opposed to easy-listening.. i'm  not nit-picking, like, i just really find some of it very  intense, emotionally... 
 
  
         
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           Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-04 08:13 [#01769602]
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yeah, it's intense, but many things are intense and still  easy listening.
 
  I guess "easy listening" is one of those concepts that need  to be purged, though this one doesn't need to remove its  religious ties.. it should rather remove its negative  status, as it actually is a "real genre," and not all things  within that genre are bad. 
 
  
         
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           redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-11-04 08:18 [#01769604]
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haha! 
  for sure :) i'm coming around to your idea of purging  connotations now :) 
 
  
         
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           Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-04 08:22 [#01769607]
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yeah, once you see how just the usage of a certain phrase or  words can make both yourself and other people assume you're  saying something bad.
 
  in gorans case, I'm pretty sure he used it in the negative  way, but there should be some secondary.. check-up or  something (especially if I was wrong about goran using it  negatively).. some other word that indicated the "charge."  I'm not saying all words should be purged, but.. certain  words need to loose it and start anew. 
 
  
         
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           redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-11-04 08:24 [#01769608]
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still, how do you propose doing this? language change is a  very hot and touchy subject... the only way i can see would  be to create a new term...
 
  but that term would most likely be used by the populus  sarcastically and in an even more derogatory sense than the  original. language is an aspect of the soul, and when  governments or "authorities" fiddle with it, people get very  agitated. 
 
  
         
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           Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-04 08:30 [#01769613]
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we can't do it to ourselves, and a new term isn't the  answer... it's more about teaching the next generation and,  well.. for our sake.. we can only keep in mind the ones we  manage to see and try to remember that the next time we read  about an album and it is classed as "easy listening," we  don't immediately dismiss it as being bad.
 
  I'm not teacher, so I don't know how we would teach the new  generations something like this, but a good start would be  trying to stop using these concepts ourselves with the  connotations they have, and maybe it'll come naturally or at  least the kids won't pick up on it. 
 
  
         
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           tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2005-11-04 16:57 [#01770033]
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i listen to a lot of easy listening music and i can enjoy it  quite a bit. same goes for est. it's a bit too straiht for  my likings but that doesn't mean it's bad, it's just that i  prefer something more mind intriguing when it comes to jazz.  they are still an excellnt band though, know exactly what  they're doing and they're great at it.  
 
  
         
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