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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-10-09 19:14 [#01745388]
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I'm wondering how many XLT members are going to die when this epidemic becomes pandemic. Apparently it's on its way to the UK and millions, possibly hundreds of millions, are predicted to die during its reign. I hope I'm not one of them.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-10-09 19:15 [#01745389]
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i live in the US, so... it's been nice knowing you... :(
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impakt
from where we do not speak of! on 2005-10-09 19:16 [#01745391]
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I'm hoping for the best.
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zazen
on 2005-10-09 19:16 [#01745392]
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its on its way everywhere dude but its very difficult to predict how bad it will be. all the numbers you hear are just guesses.
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-10-09 19:17 [#01745396]
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got any links?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-10-09 19:18 [#01745397]
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Yes, but mainly educated guesses.
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zazen
on 2005-10-09 19:19 [#01745398]
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> got any links? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_flu
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zazen
on 2005-10-09 19:20 [#01745399]
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LAZY_TITLE
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-10-09 19:23 [#01745402]
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i thought there were only some cases in asia.
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-10-09 19:24 [#01745404]
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LAZY_TITLE
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zazen
on 2005-10-09 19:25 [#01745405]
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difficult to predict when a pandemic may occur. there have been no sustained human to human transmissions yet.
could take weeks months or years for the virus to mutate to a human-to-human transmissible version.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-10-09 19:25 [#01745406]
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Bird Flu Q & A
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-10-09 19:31 [#01745408]
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i really hope im not still in boston when it happens
major cities will suck
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-10-09 19:32 [#01745409]
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where are you getting this UK stuff?
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zazen
on 2005-10-09 19:33 [#01745410]
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>where are you getting this UK stuff? the bird virus is apparently spreading from asia accross russia to eastern europe, hence towards the UK. I think that is what marlowe meant when he said 'heading for UK'.
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-10-09 19:34 [#01745411]
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it might not happen.
i'd be more concerned about the chaos cloud.
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-10-09 19:34 [#01745412]
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oh ok.
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zazen
on 2005-10-09 19:35 [#01745413]
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> chaos cloud lol snopes
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-10-09 19:37 [#01745414]
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aw shucks.
i was looking foward to that.
ok, ahh the bird flu! omg
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2005-10-09 19:39 [#01745417]
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yummy
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2005-10-09 19:40 [#01745418]
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its pretty close to home
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2005-10-09 19:42 [#01745419]
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dont you find it a bit hairy how the spanish flu has been recreated? 'oh no, it wont get out'
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-10-09 19:42 [#01745420]
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id rather have matter just be torn apart... probably be fast and you wouldnt feel it.
this on the otherhand, will be slow and nasty, and some will live, and some will die... itll be painful.
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zazen
on 2005-10-09 19:43 [#01745421]
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in summary:
bird flu: a lot of people are taking this seriously and are on the case. personally there is not much that you can do (unless you happen to work for the WHO or Roche). keep an eye on the news, but dont panic too much because it could still be a long way off, and it could be less worse than predicted.
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-10-09 19:44 [#01745423]
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what if i just stay in my house?
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2005-10-09 19:46 [#01745427]
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and the man at the back said everyone attack and it turned into a ballroom blitz
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-10-09 19:47 [#01745428]
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Flu epidemics have a nasty habit of wiping out millions - the 1918 epidemic wiped out 20 - 40 milliong people - that's up to 40,000,000 people!
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2005-10-09 19:52 [#01745430]
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So 40,000,000 is like... 40 million? 40 x a million. Let me put that in perspective.... take one person, and then imagine that person 39,999,999 times more, all slightly different.
And all dead from Bird Flu.
*cough* *hack* *cough* *....*
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-10-09 19:56 [#01745431]
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that was in 1918 though!
you have to think of the difference we have now.
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zazen
on 2005-10-09 19:57 [#01745432]
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40 million out of a world population of 2000 million. Thats bad, but lots of people survived.
Viruses do not usually evolve to be too deadly, because it is bad (in evolutionary terms) to kill too many of your hosts if you are a virus. There are theories that the 1918/1920 epidemic was particularly bad because it evolved in the trenches, where many humans were packed tightly together.
Similarly, the current H5N1 bird flu evolved in hong kong and similar places, where thousands of chickens are tightly packed in together. It only makes sense for a virus to kill its host quickly if it can easily get to the next host, and there are loads nearby.
When H5N1 eventually evolves to pass between humans, it may also evolve to become less deadly, because otherwise it will 'burn out' too quick.
It will still be a pretty serious event, because we have no natural immunity to the H5N1 strain, so lots of people will catch it. But it may not be as deadly to the people that catch it as it currently is.
However, we cant second guess how its going to evolve really. Our understanding of these things is a lot less certain that it appears in the media reports.
Keep an eye on the news, dont panic, get on with life.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-10-09 19:58 [#01745433]
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Yes -- we have faster channels of communication these days -- both virtual and physical.
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zazen
on 2005-10-09 19:59 [#01745434]
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> Yes -- we have faster channels of communication these days
> -- both virtual and physical.
That counts both for and against us. The people movements make it harder, but the information movements make it easier, to fight a pandemic.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-10-09 20:02 [#01745436]
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Only if you have a cure / antiserum - otherwise, it will truly be Pandemic.
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zazen
on 2005-10-09 20:04 [#01745438]
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a vaccine is not the only way to fight it.
check out the google adds below
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optimus prime
on 2005-10-09 20:28 [#01745440]
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bird flu sucks. :(
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2005-10-09 20:30 [#01745441]
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i havent heard anything about this yet.
sounds about as fun as the chaos cloud!
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-09 20:36 [#01745442]
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This is good news. Something needs to keep humans in check.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-10-09 21:13 [#01745458]
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oh no
i just coughed!! :(
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mimi
on 2005-10-09 21:15 [#01745459]
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where did he fly?
GET IT? bird flu? bird flew? he flew where?
LOL
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-10-09 21:50 [#01745480]
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haha
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-10-09 21:59 [#01745485]
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HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS! PANIC!! OMG U CANOT B SERIOS
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-10-09 22:05 [#01745486]
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This would have never happened if people didn't eat so much damn chicken. Whoever reading this, who just happens to be eating chicken salad or form-fitted "chicken" nuggets, the eventual eradication of the human race is entirely your fault!!!!!!1@:^)?
Keep in the mind, the only remedy for Bird Flu is some good ol' fashioned chicken noodle soup, given the chicken was not in the latter stages of bird flu when killed.
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D-Steak
from Kansas City, Mo. (United States) on 2005-10-09 23:22 [#01745497]
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Ugh,,,i thought my chicken nuggets tonight from McDonald's tasted a little funny.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-10-10 00:15 [#01745505]
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well if I die of some fucked up bird pandemic sometime soon, I guess I will have no regrets about smoking plenty of weed and generally having the time of my life in college these past few years...
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-10-10 00:15 [#01745506]
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that was just spit, you'll be fine.
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furoi
from Udine (Eriko Sato's undies) (Italy) on 2005-10-10 02:17 [#01745536]
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no more electronic music in our brains we will die
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Anus_Presley
on 2005-10-10 02:25 [#01745540]
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scarry
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pigster
from melbs on 2005-10-10 02:33 [#01745541]
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'Ugh,,,i thought my chicken nuggets tonight from McDonald's tasted a little funny.'
im sure you're absolutely safe from catching the bird flu from mcchicken mcnuggets : )
as for the rest of us, RUN
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-10 03:53 [#01745583]
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They're comparing it's predicted effects on the infamous Spanish Influenza (that also came from chickens) that killed more people than WW1 and 2 combined. As it happens the flu also hit during the 1st orld War.
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uzim
on 2005-10-10 04:52 [#01745600]
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i've been coughing for weeks now... but i always get slightly sick with cough and stuff at this time of the year.
honestly, i can't say i'm worried about this bird flu thing... i'll just wait and see. lots of catastrophies had been announced and never happened in the last few years. of course this doesn't mean this time it won't, but... *shrugs*
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