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is this the most influential album in ambient electronica? I see lots of pink floyd influences too, is this possible? the way the track seems to travel silently with islands of melodies like some gilmour solos I dont know i think this album is perfect |
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i don't know what it is |
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no idea what that is either, but the name itself doesn't sound to ambient. |
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Same here nacho. |
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oh, it's orb. not really my thing. |
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how do you know if its not your thing if you have never listened to it (I assume this as you didnt even know that it was an album by the orb) but the question is not really if you like it... its more a question for people who know the record... to see if they think that this was an influential album for future music or not |
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eno > orb any day :) |
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well, i have some orb albums and i think they're boring so what can i say :) |
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but have you got this one? |
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no idea...but so far everything i've heard from them (new or old albums) sounded kinda the same..usually when this happens im never bothered in the artist again for some reason..might be silly, but it's just the way i am. unless someone who's taste in music i like makes me think different :D |
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well... then , its obvious you cannot help me in the question I am making... as though you dont like them, so you dont listen to them much, so you have not the perspective to know if their music could be influential or not thanks anyway |
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yes, i wouldn't know exactly aboout this album but since it was released in the 92 or something i doubt it was influental for any important ambient artists. i bet brian eno was the biggest influence for everyoone, even for orb :) |
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I agree on the Eno influence rather than Orb. Hell, even Orb was influenced by Brain. |
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of course they are influenced by eno... but does that mean they are not influential? for some reason I want to beleive this album was important in music history |
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allmusic says they influenced four tet. there you go. |
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I does kind of sadden me when people who on one hand appear to be genuinly interested in music, out of hand dismiss an absolute classic which they haven't heard. A lot of time you hear of people listening to dance/electronic/techno whatever albums from 10 or more years ago, and then saying how it doesn't stand up to music like... *sigh* Drukqs or it's "not complicated enough" or that it lacks the "mad fucked up beats of *insert name of 1 of billions of identical charlatans* "... It's like saying "I don't like The Beatles, they just don't have the loud qualities of Limp Bizkit"... There's a sample on the first album that goes "I've been waiting for music like this all my life" and that's how it felt, for me, to hear the Orb. This thing about saying are they more influential than Eno... obviously The Orb are influenced by him, they wear a lot of their influences openly, Tangerine Dream, Floyd (look at the cover of the Live93 album), Kraftwerk, Eno etc. But they took all this and made their own musical world, they put fun into ambient, along with dub, techno, house, all sorts, all with a sense of playfulness and invention. I don't think there's an album quite like it. This album I believe is hugely influential, in the early 90s Ambient House / Techno was a huge scene, of which The Orb were one of the first, and encompassed some of today's favourite IDMers (fuck, they're on the first Warp "Artificial Intelligence" compilation with some people like, oh I don't know if you've heard them but Aphex Twin, Autechre, Speedy J, B12 etc). What saddens me is the historical revisionism that goes on because people are too lazy to bother listening to older music, but very quick when it comes to dismissing it, despite having no idea what they're talking about. If people actually went back further than some Skam release from a year ago for their musical references, then electronic music might not be in such a rut, going round in tighter and tighter circles. If you haven't heard it, you're mi |
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rant continues... If you haven't heard it, you're missing out. ... rant ends |
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hahaha nice post dann... as always, you put the correct words to my thoughts |
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For me, its one of the best album ever released. Blue room is timeless. UForb is were it all started. Uforb and Orbus Terrarum are the holy grails of the 90's |
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im missing out then and i don't care :) i listen to quite a bit of old music, i love klf for example which are in sort of same vein. i like eno as well. but fsol, orb and orbital just isn't the kind of music i think highly of. there. |
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well, yes... you have a wide knowledge in music... and you have an interesting taste in music (imo) but disregarding orbital, fsol and the orb at the same time... thats jut painful for me ;) but if its not your thing... its not, it doesnt matter... luckyly enough theres plenty of music to enjoy, so no problem. |
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im not so sure how much you'd enjoy the music i listen to latelly..like i got off the track or something. as for the three mentioned - they were influental for quite a bit of electronic producers probably, i'll give them that, it's just their music that does nothing for me. but yes, luckly we have drukqs, ultravisitor, venetian snares, richared devine and all that other gorgeous, complicated music! :D |
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the orb are among the few who were able to put the Groove into ambient u.f.orb is a masterpiece! |
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shall I get adventures beyond the ultra world? |
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In my opinion, if you like U.F.Orb, you cannot possibly be disappointed with Ultraworld. Perpetual Dawn, Backside of the Moon, Huge ever growing brain... Just while we're on the subject, do look out for "Space" by Space, which is Jimmy Cauty (one half of The KLF among others). As I understand it, at the time he was part of The Orb but they had a row and he left, taking all what he'd done for "...Ultraworld" and released it as "Space", it's pretty much a one piece 45 minute Ambient album, with an Orb / KLF air. |
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thanks for the info... will look for it |
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I prefer Ultraworld, but hell yeah U.F.Orb is influential, classic, and perfect. |
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perpetual dawn is on it, so yeah, you should have that one as well :) |
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Nacmat, Get Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld - post haste! It probably shades UFOrb by a whisker. If you can, try and find a copy of the Blue Room single (really long one ~ approx 40 mins) as that is simply splendid too. Oh, and don't get on Tolsoyed's case too much as the Orb really did undergo a bit of a creative slump after UFOrb imo (but who wouldn't after producing two of the most important albums of the nascent electronica scene?) and consequently if you didn't like em by then, the chances of hearing something like Pomme Fritz or Orbus Terrarum and being blown away were significantly reduced. Regardless though, in answer to your initial statement I concur, UFOrb probably was the most influential album of its time and type. And Tolstoyed, if you can recommend me a Richard Devine album that comes close to either UFOrb or Ultraworld, I'm all ears. ;) |
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i was kidding about those..it was a reply to what dog belch said sort of :) |
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The singles from uforb is great too, there were two singles released ( "Blue room" and "Assassin" ) with two cd´s in each set. I bought them from eBay last year since they were impossible too get in sweden in 1992 when I bought uforb... |
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speaking of fsol, listen to accelerator album... you shall like that man... if not, I kill a hen |
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Nacmat, I wish could say more but Dog_Belch resumed everything in a well writter, organized matter. I have UFORB, Adventures beyond..., Orbus Terrarum(wich think is one of their most experimental album so far), Orblivion and Cydonia(this been their most commercial yet,imo). Plus, 4 years ago or so, I saw Alex Paterson on an ambient-dub-house plus some Orbus Terrarum type of experimentations and it blew my brain completely, 4 hours of all that in a small club here...Yes, I think UFORB should be considered influential because it was for lots of the ambient movement right now...Even though Brian Eno is his musical father, he converted in a whole different Ambient style, Alex Paterson should get his credit for that, imho. |
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UFOrb is fantastic, but after Blue Room (track 4?) I have a hard time paying attention.. it kinda starts to get dull... to me. One of my favorite Orb releases is the Peel Session with this eerie version of OOBE and a cover of 'No Fun' by the Stooges. It's amazing. |
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right. great. The Orb has been influential. great. right. on to the next musical entity that might or might not have been influential. yes, that's right, we're doing EACH and EVERYONE of them, apparently it's important in some way. great. right. T'Pau - influential or not so influential? |
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The Orb got me into electronic music. Back in the day, the only two artists who managed to take dance music and add some substance were LFO and the Orb. UFOrb has blue room on it. Everything the Orb has made up untill their best of album were classics. Everything after it has sucked. They had a way to make melodies that seemed alive and could go on for hours. nacmat: yeah. Have you seen the cover of live 93? Its a direct reference to Pink Floyd animals, only with a toy sheep. |
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Another thing is most of their production still sounds clean and doesn't date itself. |
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the same thing, tolstoyed, you also 'hated' autechre before untilted didnt you? |
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i don't think i hated it, i just don't see the brilliance in their earlier work..well, most of it, there are some songs i like, and i like confield a lot, but most of their earlier stuff is way over hyped imo. |
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U.F.Orb is a great album like most of their releases. I shall listen to this record again today to refresh my memories. |
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It's a nice ambient album for sure but not a big influential album in ambient electronica I guess. Too much dog barking for my liking. FSOL - Lifeforms would set a perfect example. |
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