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Huh? |
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I bought it at a bargain shop. |
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my mom gave me mine. |
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where? |
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my mum and dad were 2 horny 13 year olds... "james" comes from my dads side, its a traditional name for the males on that side... like the 10 james' before me when i hit 40 i will forever be known as "jim"... thats all. |
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go outside and take a walk. go to a forest and bring alcohol. stay there until at least midnight. |
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in search of his identity, right? |
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once i woke up at three o clock in the night and had the strong feeling that i didnt have an identity anymore. the feeling lingers on to this day, weaker though. i guess one doesnt need identity. identity is something for fascist groups. |
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by answering "no" as often as possible |
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It's pretty much determined by your life experiences, isn't it? Other than that, I sent off a couple of forms and money to the government and they gave me a legal 'identity' in the form of passport, driver licence, etc. |
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The opposite is the case, people without a strong identity often join fascist groups. Or religious communities, where they are trying to find JESUS, so they can 'synthesize' their own 'ego' with that of Jesus's 'super ego' .... |
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alrite |
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Read the meme machine by susan blackmore, preferably after reading the selfish gene by richard dawkins. |
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i gained my identity by watching re-runs of cheers & taxi instead of going to college |
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You don't really believe that, do you? Everyone has an identity. Partly it is styled by their ego, partly styled by their subconsious. Usually if you try to take a persons identity away - or even if you challenge it - they will kick and scream. I don't think you can really grade identities by strength, because identity isn't something you can quantize and formulate. Its the subjective understanding and experience of what we are, and it is just as necessary for everybody to have. PS. Where did you read that crap about the fascist groups? Generally people join those strong reactionary groups because they are conditioned to believe in that, or they attract to that as a reaction to opposing conditioning. PPS. Human beings are all conditioned. Its bullshit to believe otherwise, unless you wake up on a deserted island after being born, only having to fend for yourself as a troup of monkeys feed you like you are one of theirs. |
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actually, monoid has a point about weak people join the strong. I know sombody who only likes heavy metal music because everyone else, I asked him to describe what the music meant to him and he retorted "it's cool". |
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No such thing as weak or strong. Maybe some peoples identity requires a group more than others. |
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"PPS. Human beings are all conditioned. Its bullshit to believe otherwise, unless you wake up on a deserted island after being born, only having to fend for yourself as a troup of monkeys feed you like you are one of theirs. " In that example, you'd be conditioned by Monkeys |
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Heh. True. :D |
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what identity? |
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true, the concept of weak and strong is limited to a very narrow level of thinking. My point was though that this person's musical identity didn't exist, if it doesn't exist there can't be a need to belong to a certain group. |
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internet identity? |
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nacmat |
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knock three times on the ceiling. |
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I take monoid seriously |
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ahhahhah |
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how did you lose yours? |
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invertebrates |
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I'm an atheist young conservative who loves ecstacy and barbeques. Where the fuck did that come from? |
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See, thats the thing. Everybody has an identity. I think its bad form to put labels on human identity to disect it for reference, because it creates gaps that can allow people to loose context of what it might be in reference to, or be based out of. Generally, people who look for extrinsic reinforcement in the kind of music that they listen to, see society as being a bigger part of their life or identity, than people who look towards intrinsic reinforcement in the kind of music they listen to. Extrinsic being external reinforcement, and intrinsic being internal reinforcement. Neither is better or worse, although, as human beings are social creatures that prosper in groups, its generally healthier - mentally - for humans to look for extrinsic reinforcement. |
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Yes but Extrinsic reinforcement comes to nothing if you have nothing to reinforce, it is essential to form a true identity before looking for social support. You can't be part of somthing if you're nothing yourself. Analogy: The wall is made of bricks but there is a brick missing. |
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As I said earlier, I don't believe people can lack identity. The act of having a weak or a strong identity serves nothing more than selling self help books. Everybody has an identity, even if they have been sold on the idea that they need to find it. Its like they have been told over and over again that its ok if they don't find it, but on the other hand, they are being yelled at to make decisions which rely upon their identity. Its a dangerous trapfall, because the only way to get out of it is by ego killing what you have been conditioned to believe, and that is an extremely dangerous road to go down if you don't have a good guide. The current social paradigm will not allow most people to see this. |
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Of course you have a self image that you believe in, or that you are secretly forced to believe in. That comes FROM THE OUTSIDE, every self describition of your person, your identity comes from the outside. Without other people, you would go into self destruct mode |
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Once again, your wrong there. Identity is a subjective experience. Unfortunately, its so deeply ingrained in all of us, that it becomes transparent. Kind of like if you were to grow up in a town that smelt like pulp all day. I think you are talking about personality, not identity. |
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by being born, and thanx to my ancestors. hehe |
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Whats the diffrence between personality and identity? And once again you are wrong WRONG WRONG WRONG. BECAUSE THESE THEORIES ABOUT IDENTITY ARE BASED ON NIKLAS LUHMANN, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SOCIOLOGIST OF THE LAST CENTURY, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP |
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Maybe you should spend a little more time thinking about what you are trying to say, and a little less time mindlessly repeating everything that you read in books. |
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No, maybe you should spend more time reading books. I can back up everything I say. Do you want me to post a few links about the subject? I think its not worth my time, because I know that ive already won |
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Anyways, I have defined identity a couple times as I see it. I am not going to go into a definition of personality because I am tired, and I don't want to have to waist my time with someone who isn't capable of critical thought. That would be stupid. I have already spent way too long as it is anyway. |
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And once again, there is the kind of paradigm that reaks of poor quality thought. You seem to think that there is a winning or a loosing. |
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I WIN! |
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You know, I always picture you as this 40 year old man that is too fat and rickety to stand up, furiously typing away at his keyboard and looting the wikopedia for people to reference in these 'discussions' that you seem to try to have, repeating over and over again in a shrill voice "I'll show them". |
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Dude why should I believe or listen to you? I have my OWN identity, my own thoughts, my own truths and I dont NEED to listen to anybody else, who is trying to tell me how I really AM. |
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I didnt yet |
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all he's saying is that when he's in your virtual presence, he regularly experiences an essence of obnoxiousness. |
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monoids new avatar: |
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who is that? i dont get it |
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it's god. |
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that doesn't look like me. *indignant* |
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