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             from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2005-09-20 04:50 [#01728098] Points: 5696 Status: Lurker
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 | its fun. My flatemate is going through those things called chords with me. My fingers are a bit too chunky for the
 strings so i'm contorting my hand/wrist in all sorts of
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         |  bill_hicks
             from my city is amazing it is calle on 2005-09-20 04:53 [#01728101] Points: 4286 Status: Lurker
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 | D A E sounds nice. 
 
 
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         |  redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-20 12:18 [#01728394] Points: 12878 Status: Addict
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 | if you're going to be serious about it, make sure you position your hands properly from the start and don't get
 into bad habits.. left hand position isn't as strictly
 important nowadays; unless you're playing classical guitar,
 the thumb can move about quite freely and it's all good..
 the right hand's position and movement should be kept in
 check. it's essential, especially when learning shite like
 alternate picking and nice fingerpicking styles..
 
 all of the above is taking your right-handedness for
 granted.
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-09-20 12:33 [#01728409] Points: 14210 Status: Regular
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 | my advice is directly contrary to redrum's.  do whatever is most comfortable.   if you take enough time to just play and
 play and dedicate yourself, you'll eventually have as much
 technique as you want and you'll have your own style as
 well.  i hate how guitar teachers like to force their
 students into rigid programs, stripping them of any
 originality.  play the thing however you want - you can only
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         |  redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-20 12:55 [#01728441] Points: 12878 Status: Addict | Followup to r40f: #01728409
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 | At the beginning of learning the guitar, any position of the hands should be equally comfortable/uncomfortable. After a
 few years of playing with the first position your hands
 jumped to, when you want to master techniques such as
 alternate picking and fast or complicated fingerpicking,
 it'll prove extremely tormenting and near impossible to do
 just that, and it'll prove equally as tormenting to try to
 revert your hand positions to the "correct" positions.
 
 These positions are by no means "correct" any more --
 especially, as I said, regarding the left hand -- but when a
 guitarist's hands automatically assume them, he is enabling
 himself.. If you start out with a gammy right hand position
 like I did, you're automatically disabling yourself and
 setting yourself at a disadvantage.
 
 
 
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             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-20 13:05 [#01728450] Points: 12878 Status: Addict
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 | what's with the new avatar by the way, alex? 
 
 
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         |  virginpusher
             from County Clare on 2005-09-20 13:09 [#01728455] Points: 27325 Status: Lurker
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 | Practise alot. Just do basic fingering techniques to get to know the fret. Helps you float around a bit later. Also
 toughens up the finger tips. Best bet.
 
 Lower the strings. ALWAYS LOWER THE STRINGS.
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-09-20 13:30 [#01728498] Points: 14210 Status: Regular
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 | the most important thing is smashing style. 
 
 
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         |  swears
             from junk sleep on 2005-09-20 13:30 [#01728502] Points: 6474 Status: Lurker
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 | The best way to practice guitar parts is to play them slowly over and over again, and then raise the tempo gradually, and
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         |  recycle
             from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2005-09-20 13:33 [#01728508] Points: 40935 Status: Regular
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 | i saw kurdt last night at mcdonalds 
 
 
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         |  vlari
             from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-09-20 13:34 [#01728512] Points: 13915 Status: Regular
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 | good facial expressions are an essential part of every guitarist
 
 
 
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         |  swears
             from junk sleep on 2005-09-20 13:35 [#01728516] Points: 6474 Status: Lurker
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 | I took a piss on his grave while shouting "Hair metal is still alive, but you aren't!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-09-20 13:36 [#01728522] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to swears: #01728516
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         |  virginpusher
             from County Clare on 2005-09-20 13:38 [#01728529] Points: 27325 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01728522
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 | Eff Yeah!! 
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         |  redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-20 14:10 [#01728591] Points: 12878 Status: Addict
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             from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2005-09-20 14:26 [#01728606] Points: 19190 Status: Moderator | Followup to r40f: #01728409 | Show recordbag
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 | Agreed, do whatever you want. I play exclusively without a pick and learned that way, Robbie Krieger style. Not
 recommended, but who cares, that's what feels good, it feels
 hot.
 
 On the other hand, I think lessons are good, depending on
 the teacher. I had an awesome teacher with similar tastes...
 he didn't try to teach me stuff I wasn't interested in
 learning, didn't bother trying to get me to eliminate my
 quirks, but he sure as heck made it easier to learn stuff I
 found difficult. And it's cool jamming with someone that's
 good enough to play whatever he wants whenever he wants.
 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2005-09-20 14:48 [#01728622] Points: 27859 Status: Regular
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 | it takes years to become (as) good (as me) 
 
 
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         |  xlr
             from Boston (United States) on 2005-09-20 14:58 [#01728631] Points: 4904 Status: Regular
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 | Anyone can play guitar 
 
 
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         |  redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-20 15:00 [#01728634] Points: 12878 Status: Addict
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         |  KEYFUMBLER
             from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 08:20 [#01729272] Points: 5696 Status: Lurker
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 | thanks fellers. This is the first new shit i'm learning in ages. Its great being a beginner at something again and i
 recomend you all take up something new!
 
 Just watched jimi hedrix @ Monteray laqst night.
 
 shhhhhitttttttttttttttttttttt.
 
 
 
 
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         |  redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 11:00 [#01729406] Points: 12878 Status: Addict
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             on 2005-09-21 11:07 [#01729413] Points: 23472 Status: Lurker | Followup to redrum: #01729406
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 | rory don't beat jimi 
 
 
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             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 11:19 [#01729419] Points: 12878 Status: Addict | Followup to Anus_Presley: #01729413
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 | he might not in terms of appearance and coolness, but christ, technically he's much, much better in my opinion.
 
 rory live is fucking incredible. flawless.
 
 jimi live is pretty great too, but very fucking sloppy. i
 think that's one of the aspects of his style, but still.. it
 leads me to believe that rory's certainly better
 technically.
 
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             from qrters tea party on 2005-09-21 11:21 [#01729420] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to redrum: #01729419
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 | jimi live is pretty great too, but very fucking sloppy. i
 think that's one of the aspects of his style, but still..
 it
 leads me to believe that rory's certainly better
 technically.
 
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         |  redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 11:25 [#01729424] Points: 12878 Status: Addict | Followup to r40f: #01729420
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 | So I prefer technically perfect and brilliant musicianship to sloppiness. So what. I like to be astounded by what I
 hear, not unimpressed.
 
 What I wrote is totally true - unless technical brilliance
 can be exemplified in sloppy guitar playing?
 
 That doesn't make sense and is a contradiction in terms. I
 don't care for style, I care for good music and technical
 brilliance.
 
 For the record, I don't think sloppy guitar playing is very
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-09-21 11:29 [#01729427] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to redrum: #01729424
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 | no, you're right.  but your viewpoint is totally opposed to what makes rock music great in the first place.  it doesn't
 fucking matter how good you are, the point is that it has
 untamed, wild energy that can't be put into terms.  it's all
 about the accidents and the totally fucked up guitar
 smashing destruction.  that's what makes it incredible.  not
 classical training bullshit.
 
 
 
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             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 11:36 [#01729435] Points: 12878 Status: Addict | Followup to r40f: #01729427
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 | untamed, wild energy - wonderful accidents and the totally fucked up guitar smashing
 destruction - juvenile
 
 it's all really quite subjective: i get that untamed, wild
 energy from other musics, whereas with stuff you're
 referring to with the blanket term "rock" (i'm guessing
 stuff i'd have referred to on this board as 'boring'), i
 don't get that energy.
 
 i can see where you'd get the energy from, but that's not
 what i get energy from in music. i get it from complexity
 and technicality. that's my stimulus. your stimulus is loud,
 distorted guitars, vocals full of growling and screaming
 (lots of energy, yes), repeated melodic riffs contrasting
 with other repeated melodic riffs in different times.
 
 that's grand, i just find it a bit boring and at best..
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             from qrters tea party on 2005-09-21 11:38 [#01729436] Points: 14210 Status: Regular
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             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 11:39 [#01729439] Points: 12878 Status: Addict | Followup to r40f: #01729436
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             from Wimbledon, London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-21 12:42 [#01729503] Points: 136 Status: Lurker
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 | The problem with rock today is that its far too intelligent. As much as I love Radiohead, its far too well thought-out
 and not enough raw passion. The Who is a different story.
 
 Also, nothing in rock is inventive or ground-breaking any
 more. Its become the status quo (lol). Even you're gran
 could like it now when it used to be as dangerous as that
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             from Wimbledon, London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-21 12:43 [#01729507] Points: 136 Status: Lurker
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 | Also, learning a basic blues riff sounds impressive and isn't too hard. Its also easy to improvise around.
 
 
 
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         |  big
             from lsg on 2005-09-21 12:54 [#01729517] Points: 24091 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01728409 | Show recordbag
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 | yea, but.., a guitar teacher could do it the right way (prolly not though), why invent the wheel yourself?
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         |  redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 12:57 [#01729521] Points: 12878 Status: Addict
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         |  big
             from lsg on 2005-09-21 12:57 [#01729523] Points: 24091 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01729420 | Show recordbag
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 | haha, ok but.., rock and roll spirit doesnt mean you should lock
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-09-21 13:12 [#01729538] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to big: #01729523
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 | it didn't happen to me.  i never had a guitar lesson in my life.  i play a little funny, but i have no trouble learning
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         |  big
             from lsg on 2005-09-21 13:16 [#01729548] Points: 24091 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01729538 | Show recordbag
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 | well maybe not everybody is so smart (considering their body at least) as you
 
 
 
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         |  mimi
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 | it is frustrating to learn an instrument on your own, it's good that you have a friend to help you.  i never played
 guitar but i've gone through lots of other instruments and
 every time i took something new up it was really helpful to
 have lessons to get the basics down.  once you get the
 basics down it starts to become fun and you don't
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 | actually i think this is why i am having such an awful time trying to mix records, i just can't get the hang of it in
 the beginning and i can't take any damn lessons hahah.
 
 
 
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