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offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2005-09-20 04:50 [#01728098]
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its fun. My flatemate is going through those things called
chords with me. My fingers are a bit too chunky for the
strings so i'm contorting my hand/wrist in all sorts of
weird ways. Any tips, mo-fo's?


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2005-09-20 04:53 [#01728101]
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D A E sounds nice.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-20 12:18 [#01728394]
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if you're going to be serious about it, make sure you
position your hands properly from the start and don't get
into bad habits.. left hand position isn't as strictly
important nowadays; unless you're playing classical guitar,
the thumb can move about quite freely and it's all good..
the right hand's position and movement should be kept in
check. it's essential, especially when learning shite like
alternate picking and nice fingerpicking styles..

all of the above is taking your right-handedness for
granted.

have fun ..


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-09-20 12:33 [#01728409]
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my advice is directly contrary to redrum's. do whatever is
most comfortable. if you take enough time to just play and
play and dedicate yourself, you'll eventually have as much
technique as you want and you'll have your own style as
well. i hate how guitar teachers like to force their
students into rigid programs, stripping them of any
originality. play the thing however you want - you can only
benefit from being a distinct guitarist.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-20 12:55 [#01728441]
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At the beginning of learning the guitar, any position of the
hands should be equally comfortable/uncomfortable. After a
few years of playing with the first position your hands
jumped to, when you want to master techniques such as
alternate picking and fast or complicated fingerpicking,
it'll prove extremely tormenting and near impossible to do
just that, and it'll prove equally as tormenting to try to
revert your hand positions to the "correct" positions.

These positions are by no means "correct" any more --
especially, as I said, regarding the left hand -- but when a
guitarist's hands automatically assume them, he is enabling
himself.. If you start out with a gammy right hand position
like I did, you're automatically disabling yourself and
setting yourself at a disadvantage.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-20 13:05 [#01728450]
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what's with the new avatar by the way, alex?


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-09-20 13:09 [#01728455]
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Practise alot. Just do basic fingering techniques to get to
know the fret. Helps you float around a bit later. Also
toughens up the finger tips. Best bet.

Lower the strings. ALWAYS LOWER THE STRINGS.

*throws acoustic across room*


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-09-20 13:30 [#01728498]
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the most important thing is smashing style.


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offline swears from junk sleep on 2005-09-20 13:30 [#01728502]
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The best way to practice guitar parts is to play them slowly
over and over again, and then raise the tempo gradually, and
then you'll be all like "Wow I can play this!".


 

online recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2005-09-20 13:33 [#01728508]
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i saw kurdt last night at mcdonalds


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-09-20 13:34 [#01728512]
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good facial expressions are an essential part of every
guitarist


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2005-09-20 13:35 [#01728516]
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I took a piss on his grave while shouting "Hair metal is
still alive, but you aren't!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-09-20 13:36 [#01728522]
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lol that'll show him!!!!


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-09-20 13:38 [#01728529]
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Eff Yeah!!

*attempts to break plastic bottle in street*


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-20 14:10 [#01728591]
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LAWL :D


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2005-09-20 14:26 [#01728606]
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Agreed, do whatever you want. I play exclusively without a
pick and learned that way, Robbie Krieger style. Not
recommended, but who cares, that's what feels good, it feels
hot.

On the other hand, I think lessons are good, depending on
the teacher. I had an awesome teacher with similar tastes...
he didn't try to teach me stuff I wasn't interested in
learning, didn't bother trying to get me to eliminate my
quirks, but he sure as heck made it easier to learn stuff I
found difficult. And it's cool jamming with someone that's
good enough to play whatever he wants whenever he wants.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2005-09-20 14:48 [#01728622]
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it takes years to become (as) good (as me)


 

offline xlr from Boston (United States) on 2005-09-20 14:58 [#01728631]
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Anyone can play guitar


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-20 15:00 [#01728634]
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guitar pro tabs are nice too....


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 08:20 [#01729272]
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thanks fellers. This is the first new shit i'm learning in
ages. Its great being a beginner at something again and i
recomend you all take up something new!

Just watched jimi hedrix @ Monteray laqst night.

shhhhhitttttttttttttttttttttt.



 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 11:00 [#01729406]
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fuck jimi, it's all about this drunken corkman


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offline Anus_Presley on 2005-09-21 11:07 [#01729413]
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rory don't beat jimi


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 11:19 [#01729419]
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he might not in terms of appearance and coolness, but
christ, technically he's much, much better in my opinion.

rory live is fucking incredible. flawless.

jimi live is pretty great too, but very fucking sloppy. i
think that's one of the aspects of his style, but still.. it
leads me to believe that rory's certainly better
technically.

and now i think that this man rules them all


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offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-09-21 11:21 [#01729420]
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jimi live is pretty great too, but very fucking sloppy.
i
think that's one of the aspects of his style, but still..
it
leads me to believe that rory's certainly better
technically.


that's why you'll never understand rock music.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 11:25 [#01729424]
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So I prefer technically perfect and brilliant musicianship
to sloppiness. So what. I like to be astounded by what I
hear, not unimpressed.

What I wrote is totally true - unless technical brilliance
can be exemplified in sloppy guitar playing?

That doesn't make sense and is a contradiction in terms. I
don't care for style, I care for good music and technical
brilliance.

For the record, I don't think sloppy guitar playing is very
impressive stylistically, either.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-09-21 11:29 [#01729427]
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no, you're right. but your viewpoint is totally opposed to
what makes rock music great in the first place. it doesn't
fucking matter how good you are, the point is that it has
untamed, wild energy that can't be put into terms. it's all
about the accidents and the totally fucked up guitar
smashing destruction. that's what makes it incredible. not
classical training bullshit.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 11:36 [#01729435]
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untamed, wild energy - wonderful
accidents and the totally fucked up guitar smashing
destruction - juvenile

it's all really quite subjective: i get that untamed, wild
energy from other musics, whereas with stuff you're
referring to with the blanket term "rock" (i'm guessing
stuff i'd have referred to on this board as 'boring'), i
don't get that energy.

i can see where you'd get the energy from, but that's not
what i get energy from in music. i get it from complexity
and technicality. that's my stimulus. your stimulus is loud,
distorted guitars, vocals full of growling and screaming
(lots of energy, yes), repeated melodic riffs contrasting
with other repeated melodic riffs in different times.

that's grand, i just find it a bit boring and at best..
juvenile.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-09-21 11:38 [#01729436]
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sigh.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 11:39 [#01729439]
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it's all really quite subjective


 

offline try-pod from Wimbledon, London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-21 12:42 [#01729503]
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The problem with rock today is that its far too intelligent.
As much as I love Radiohead, its far too well thought-out
and not enough raw passion. The Who is a different story.

Also, nothing in rock is inventive or ground-breaking any
more. Its become the status quo (lol). Even you're gran
could like it now when it used to be as dangerous as that
hardcore garage rubbish.

Go The Who!


 

offline try-pod from Wimbledon, London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-21 12:43 [#01729507]
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Also, learning a basic blues riff sounds impressive and
isn't too hard. Its also easy to improvise around.


 

online big from lsg on 2005-09-21 12:54 [#01729517]
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yea, but.., a guitar teacher could do it the right way
(prolly not though), why invent the wheel yourself?
ok


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-21 12:57 [#01729521]
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apparently there's something "great" about a square wheel.


 

online big from lsg on 2005-09-21 12:57 [#01729523]
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haha, ok
but.., rock and roll spirit doesnt mean you should lock
yourself in a most uncomfortable playing position which
could happen if you dont let someone watch you play


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-09-21 13:12 [#01729538]
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it didn't happen to me. i never had a guitar lesson in my
life. i play a little funny, but i have no trouble learning
new techniques. i don't see what the problem is.


 

online big from lsg on 2005-09-21 13:16 [#01729548]
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well maybe not everybody is so smart (considering their body
at least) as you


 

offline mimi on 2005-09-21 13:44 [#01729580]
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it is frustrating to learn an instrument on your own, it's
good that you have a friend to help you. i never played
guitar but i've gone through lots of other instruments and
every time i took something new up it was really helpful to
have lessons to get the basics down. once you get the
basics down it starts to become fun and you don't
necessarily need someone else there pushing you to.


 

offline mimi on 2005-09-21 13:45 [#01729583]
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actually i think this is why i am having such an awful time
trying to mix records, i just can't get the hang of it in
the beginning and i can't take any damn lessons hahah.


 


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