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it took me some years to properly enjoy abstract electronica and other a bit less accessible things music wise..i wonder what's the next step? something to upgrade this with? free jazz (i like lots of it already) or classic music perhaps? what do i need to see into next? |
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you need to see into the future |
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Baladi & Saaidi? |
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dunno if i want to do that.. |
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what's that? |
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Go classic! Henryk Gorecki, and Krzysztof Penderecki are worth it alone. |
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does it give you the same pleasure abstract electronica does? |
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Traditional Egyptian music. Or if you prefer India there's all sorts of styles there: dhrupad, ragas, ghazal, bhajan, kirtan, qawwali, thumri, dadra, desi, shabad, gurbani... I don't know much about it myself - but the approach to rhythm and chordal progression is vastly different from traditional Western patterns - very often you can find bridges between oriental styles of music and more avant-garde western neo-classical, minimal and electronic composition. A lot of the time, the boundary-breakers in the west have actually been influenced by musical forms from the east. |
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sounds excellent, i shall give it a try! you recommend any particular artists/bands/orchestras? |
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You're right Gvarek - Gorecki and Penderecki are fantastic. I haven't listened to it for a while, but there was a time when I was hooked on Gorecki's Symphony of Sorrowful Songs - such a moving piece. Tolstoyed, you should pick up a copy of that and run it through some great headphones at hig volume! Naxos Records do a pretty good recording of it. |
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i will! btw, i can enjoy classical music..mostly this modern composition things which isn't classical although it sounds classical :) stuff they usually write as film scores.. |
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Off the top of my head, no. I've only really been exposed to traditional Indian music through some close friends of the family who hail from India originally. Let me have a word with them and I'll see what I can come up with for you. If you're interested in pursuing the Egyptian thing, a good icebreaker is the recent album by Mutamassik. She's a NewYork based producer of Egyptian origin. Her stuff is heavily percussive, cutting up old Saaidi folk records and blending them with hip hop and amen breaks. Somewhat unsurprisingly the western dance rhythms fit perfectly - they feel like the natural descendents of the traditional African/Middle-Eastern beats. |
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Gorecki's early works are very avantgarde, more intelectual, so an in-depth listening is needed just as in electronica of higher sort. He lates works tend to be more emotional. |
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great, splendid! don't go into too much trouble for this tho :) as for mutamassik - i bought her new album, and it's awesome. she played here couple of times before, and i think she's about to come again (not sure). |
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Mutamassik is by no means the greatest record you'll ever hear, but it gets you thinking about which musical directions you might like to explore. |
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There's still a technique and composition to Symphony Of Sorrowful SOngs which puts me in mind of minimal techno/electronica. The way that the piece shifts and evolves almost imperceptibly, swallowing you up as it goes. |
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anything like zbigniew preisner perhaps? (love his stuff) or is it more like john cage kinda thing? |
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frankie goes to hollywood. once you like them you will achieve enlightenment and your life will be fulfilled. |
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oh, but i do like them :) |
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I don't really think you should even worry about it.. if there's music you'll like, you'll find it somehow. a better title and question for this topic would be "recommend me everything you can think of" |
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Different, more straightforward I think. Check , and first. Very different from one another, but still bearing the same energy. |
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no, seriously..what would be a logic step forward? surely there are things superior to abstract electronica music wise :) |
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cheers! i'll check that later when i get home1 |
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Ah well, there you are then - if you like Mutamassik already then you'll have heard bits 'n' bobs of saaidi and baladi. target=blank>Wikicould! Oh, and I've heard some beautiful stuff from Ethiopia. They have a very interesting musical history. When Haille Selassie was overthrown and the Derg were running the country, they outlawed live musicians - replacing them with synthesizers and drum machines. Since that time the exhiled live musicians have been returning to the fore. I just find it fascinating that the very equipment most of us on this website see as enabling musical freedom was actually imposed as a form of constraint. Anyway, I can't tell you any names of people from different eras in Ethiopia off the top of my head, but I'm sure it's not difficult to look up. |
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there is no logic step forward. one form of music doesn't "follow" another. i.e, you don't start out at pop and then logically or naturally progress towards "free" jazz and noise. I can recommend you some nice "experimental" jazz or other musics, but I can't recommend you any "next step." |
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I just figured out I don't really know how to use "i.e"... I've just assumed it could be used in such a context, but I have no knowledge of its "proper" use, nor what it's an abbreviation of... |
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oh yes, there are several compilations of awesome ethiopian (jazz oriented) music that was (re)released not too long ago..you probably heard of ethiopiques..if not, try it out! and there were some other awesome compilations of exotic music released last year..sun city girls had something to do with those. all sorts of different things; arab, nepal, morocco, most parts of asia compilations of old and new music. most of them absolutely fantastic! they were all released on sublime frequencies. you can get most of all that from me on slsk if you're interested.. |
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well, i started with pop music and then moved on from there, and so far i've been pretty much upgrading my taste by genres, which is very odd but it worked for me :) |
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pop music... moved on.. upgrading? :( |
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that still doesn't mean there's a "next" step for you. anyway, I can recommend you some artists, though you most likely have already heard them. I'm not too big on stuff like this, but some of it is pretty great... maybe not very experimental either, btw... I don't know anymore. Ernst Reijseger: he's a great celloplayer.. not too abstract, but pretty damned great anyway... I saw him live with mats eilertsen (bass) and.. some other guy.. think they collectively referred to themselves as "turanga." Also got some skills. |
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haha, well it used to be pop music only. i still listen to pop music ocassionally. i think im ready to broaden my music horizons now tho :) |
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i'll definitely check out that cello guy! love cello! vandermark is quite awesome but i don't know that other fellow, will look it up tho, cheers! |
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he was awesome live! he got up in the middle of the performance to do a "solo" and he just walked around the room, carrying the cello and playing and he sat down at tables and played some and then got up and walked on and then sat down again.. it was awesome! |
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Oh god not "free jazz". |
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Get into the atonal works of Shoenberg and his students. |
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The Master Musicians of Jajouka. Balinese and Indonesian music. Classical Indian music. And then when you're finally ready, listen to The Shaggs. |
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mini vinilli true, lots of people do already like their music, but they dont 'get' it |
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classical |
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Get into country, that's something too many people ignore because they're little girly-men. Kris Kristofferson and Hank Williams and Jim Reeves and David Allen Coe. And if you're going to get into classical, get stuff like Alfred Schnittke, Arvo Part, and especially my new god, Valentin Silvestrov, I think you'd like them. They're not exactly conventional, so you'll get your abstract fill, but they're not particularly avant-garde or atonal, so you get the best of both worlds. |
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brutal death metal! (early cannibal corpse, disgorge...) \m/_ see if you can eventually like any kind of music. it can be very rewarding. i've found that upon first hearing a type of music i may not like it, in fact may downright hate it, and it takes years sometimes for my attitude to change towards it. it's strange, really. so far the only music i haven't come around about is opera. :) |
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Hooray for Screamo! |
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is this "Screamo" an opera singer? |
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i get it |
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step backwards to bubblegum pop. adult contemporary and whitney houston |
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Everything that isn't music. That's where you should have focused all along. Sorry, but you chose the completely wrong category and all of your effort, learning and introspection into your subjectivity have been entirely futile. |
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Also the "what's next" mentality in art is a kind of culture devouring one that irks me some. "next" is irrelevant. It describes an arbitrary place in time (next to the arbitrary one you exist in). What's "best" is better, even if what's best is still way back there with autechre "lp5" and Ed Gein's work, which indeed it is. |
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I'd just listen to musick by guys who are kind and probably used 'nuff entheogens. |
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Don't try to bypass the negative pejorative connotations with your hippy "entheogen" word. Just use "drug" you parasitic waste of a crack head junkie. |
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I'm sorry did you say something I was wallowing in overindulgent anaesthesia |
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and listening to Harpsicorpse |
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