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who here is into this stuff? whats the difference? what are the goals you try to achieve? can anyone practice it? do you need to give up drugs to practice it? i'm really curious. thanks for sharing! |
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what are the goals you try to achieve? inner peace isent it? |
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i suppose so. must feel really nice. does it help when you're a pacifist? |
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i dont really know to tell you the truth, but heres a few links to some interesting sites |
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wonderful! cheers! |
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is the loljesus sattelite anthem icarus real? |
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shit wrong thread |
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I will be bold and call it "a bunch of hooey". |
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i'm not particularly into it. the difference is entirely between degrees of difference, differences of degree, and no difference. the goal is freedom from suffering. anyone who is interested can learn. you don't need to give up drugs, but you will eventually have to ask yourself why you choose self destructive behaviors. have a good trip. |
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my friend is into zen buddhism and his main goal is to think without words. there are special ways to do it using certain techniques. one he told me was something like an impossibility. i was going to type an example but i dont trust my memory enough |
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Zen Taoists want to eat acid. |
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why would drug use mean destructive behaviour? use of hallucinogenic substances (psilo mushrooms) are used to reach a higher state of consciousness, like people who meditate try to reach the same thing. ""the difference is entirely between degrees of difference, differences of degree, and no difference. "" i love this sentence but i have no idea what it means. i'm stoned (destructive, yes) but/and i really enjoy reading everyone's replies. |
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I used to read/study the tao, but I'm on a break :p |
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1.zen is a japanese mutation of buddhism (which originated from india) 2.taoism is a traditional chinese philosophy goals: 1. nirvana through satori 2.full harmony with life and nature, that is: with tao |
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And it's all just some shit some guy wrote down a long time ago. I never see why people have to adopt other people's philosophies in order to feel spiritual or whatever. Then again, LOOK AT DA WURL! |
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I find it amusing that people would talk in a forum about zen... all the followers seem to be silent though. |
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That's because there are no followers. |
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MU |
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read a book about it |
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excuse me?! what did I say that called for capital letters. and don't you MU at me again, if I don't accept it from cows I most certainly won't accept it from you. |
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ehat kindda drugs your on to now? |
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Charlie knows a lot about marketing |
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what a shitload off spelling mistakes, i ment: what kind off drugs are you on to now. |
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Hyakujo wished to send a monk to open a new monastery. He told his pupils that whoever answered a question most ably would be appointed. Placing a water vase on the ground, he asked: "Who can say what this is without calling its name?" The chief monk said: "No one can call it a wooden shoe." Isan, the cooking monk, tipped over the vase with his foot and went out. Hyakujo smiled and said: "The chief monk loses." And Isan became the master of the new monastery. |
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"what a shitload off spelling mistakes, i ment: what kind off drugs are you on to now." you meant: 'what a shitload of spelling mistakes. i meant: what kind of drugs are you on now?' at the moment of posting this thread i wasnt on anything. in general, i smoke hash every few days/weeks, and trip on 'magic' mushrooms every few months. As for all the negativity in this thread, everyone can go bitch about how they dont give a shit about zen/taoism whatever to their moms instead. I was only curious to see if anyone here is into this stuff. big/martijn: thanks for that very useful suggestion. I suppose you just overlooked this tiny detail: there are possibly thousands of books on the subject. It's like someone asking 'what does idm sound like' and you say 'listen to a cd'. staz: i dont necessarily need to feel spiritual, but i'm just curious. It won't hurt me to try and learn something new. |
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actually zen buddhism is the japanese translation of ch'an buddhism, and it is Chinese, not Japanese - the boddhidharma visited the monks in China (from India), and there developed both Zen and also martial arts. |
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Some reading for Zen - The complete book of Zen, by Wong Kiew Kit, and the Zen Essays of D T Suzuki. |
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I like the wu-wei, my kind of thing. |
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It won't hurt you, no. But to me, anything but simply following common sense is a load of self-deceiving, demented bullshit. I just don't see how people can devote so much time and interest to what other people thinks about something this subjective. I've always been a fan of making your own ways in life. |
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i once went to the (public) library and rented a introductionary book on buddhism and tai chi, the last one explained taoism, zen ying yang and stuff too it's cooler to become a 'believer' and read the hardcore stuff though. i read letters from the zenmaster to the swordmaster, the first letter only was enlightning. i do think you wont find enlightenment here. also miamoto musashi and tsun tzu 'art of war' i want to read (i practise swordfighting..) |
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you have to find your own way/path |
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i'm very interested in your point of view. It's a shame i am myself unable to continue in that discussion so i really wonder how any zen/taoism fans would respond to that view. I don't think either zen or taoism are 'ways of living' that force any sort of ideas on to you. There has never been anyone who said to me 'if you dont try to practice zen, you are missing out on the best thing ever'. |
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you have a point. but going to the library to get lost in a sea of books seems almost as pointless in reading stuff on the net. I was waiting for a specific suggestion like marlowe's. btw cheers for that paul. |
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yea, they just have one shelf eastern philosophy or so, in the hague |
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based on the negativity in a lot of your posts, i definately believe you should begin practicing the principles within the two ideas asap. that is imo... best of luck with that mate, cheers! ^_^ |
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I try to stay as content as possible, keep a good sence of humor about most things, and rarely get stressed out about stupid shit. I do suffer from a major bout of gearlust, but that is justified by the spiritual process of my art. In the end, its all about what you can feel fulfilled by. |
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definitely. |
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I think its all bullshit |
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i didn't say that all drug use was self-destructive. i agree that some substances can be agents of discovery, but to interact irresponsibly or with impure motives is to court disaster. try to envision the unknown disaster, and maybe you'll glimpse the leading edge of the shadowy cell that you refuse to leave because you've come to believe that it's your home. i mean this in a friendly, helpful way. as far as some of the other comments are concerned, i think staz would do well to acknowledge that he hasn't made his own way at all. 99.9% of what he says, does and thinks is borrowed from elsewhere. this isn't meant as criticism, but a reminder that the most cynical are often the least aware and the least helpful. these are all opinions and are subject to change. |
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i'm utterly fascinated by your poetic use of language. impure motives, leading edge of shadowy cell. this is food for thought. I am indeed telling myself that my use of hallucinogens is to lead eventually to some wondrous discoveries, but at the same time i am of course trying to have very enjoyable experiences as well. Impure, yes i suppose so. Irresponsible? Absolutely not (yet). i have a lot to learn, and am pretty confident i can learn a lot from journeys into the deeper parts of my mind, through the use of psychoactive drugs. However, it might be time to travel there using unknown roads, such as meditation. I just hope this isn't some impulsive thought, which i know it really is.. I should go to the library tomorrow. thanks, plaidzebra p.s: i'm sorry for talking to myself a lot, but this MB really helps me to do that. |
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I don't know a whole lot about Zen unfortunately. As for Daoism, I strongly adhere to Lao Zi's philosophies. I know next to nothing about religious Daoism though. I just admire the Dao de Jing a great deal. (using Pinyin romanisation) |
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i'm well aware of that, after all i live in a society. but i'm talking about what i consider extremes. |
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