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offline chaosmachine from Ottawa (Canada) on 2005-09-08 22:23 [#01718254]
Points: 2330 Status: Lurker



if you're reading this, we both exist. isn't that nice to
know?


 

offline uviol from United States on 2005-09-08 22:29 [#01718256]
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Actually it kinda throws a monkey wrench into my theory.
Thanks alot.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-08 22:32 [#01718257]
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Perhaps you should double check the axioms used as a base
for this theory.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-08 22:33 [#01718258]
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The more pain you feel, the more real you feel. It's better
to not be real.


 

offline chaosmachine from Ottawa (Canada) on 2005-09-08 22:34 [#01718259]
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i dind't use any axioms as a base for my theory. it's just a
thought that popped into my head.


 

offline Seracelsus on 2005-09-08 22:36 [#01718260]
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i know i'm real but you could still be a bot as far as i
know. :-/

but i believe in you chaosmachine!


 

offline chaosmachine from Ottawa (Canada) on 2005-09-08 22:42 [#01718261]
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i was reading an article the other day about someone who
wasn't able to convince other people on AIM he wasn't a
chatbot.

i think it would be fun to pretend to be a chatbot.. kind of
a double-crossed turing test.. how well can a human pretend
to be a robot pretending to be a human.. you could really
play with people's minds if they thought you were supposed
to be a chatbot..


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-08 22:58 [#01718263]
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I would just ask the questionable chat bot to do something
like talk in pig latin. If it WAS a chatbot, it'd probably
say something like "i am not familiar with pig latin". Then
I'd simply describe how it works, just in case it really is
a human that has never heard of it. It would be quite
difficult for a computer to do that. If the designer was
already aware of this tactic and programmed pig latin
understanding into it beforehand, I'd choose some arbitrary
mutation of language I made up on the spot. Any human could
do it easily. Then again I'm not sure how good massively
parrallel processors currently are at stuff like that.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-08 23:02 [#01718264]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular



Or just be like... quick- what's (568893844 + 45849920 +
046909246 + 2405726) / 4
A chatbot in a turing test would have to be programmed to
lie and say it doesn't know the answer (quickly) to appear
more human. It would be hard for it to figure out which
things it should or shouldn't lie about.


 

offline chaosmachine from Ottawa (Canada) on 2005-09-08 23:09 [#01718266]
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well, my idea would be to just act like a normal bot for a
while, and then blow their mind with something really
profound or insightful. they'd be like "wow, this is pretty
incredible". and then go back to normal chatbot mode.. just
leave them wondering..

or slowly become more and more human as the chat goes on,
and see how long it takes for them to notice you're not a
chatbot.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2005-09-08 23:09 [#01718267]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



big diff between existing and living i think

or maybe there isnt


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-08 23:23 [#01718269]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular | Followup to cygnus: #01718267



We are the mass of the earth, therefore we are the
earth (weee aaare the peeeeooople). Quite an odd
manifestation of a planet.

Things exist either because they have recently come into
existence or because they have qualities that made them
unlikely to be destroyed in the past. Rocks rarely come into
existence but when they do, are durable. Dew drops
frequently come into existence but when they do, evaporate
soon. So... what if our entire universe is filled with
building blocks of the dew drop kind. They are allowed to be
durable only because our universe lacks some sort of
equivalent power that would cause their "evaporation". If
our universe ever comes close to another universe that DOES
have this property, our entire universe could just suddenly
stop being durable "mass" and evaporate. I hope this
happens.


 

offline ymenard on 2005-09-08 23:41 [#01718272]
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I am, because of what I am not.


 

offline thatne from United States on 2005-09-08 23:43 [#01718273]
Points: 3026 Status: Lurker



There can be only one.


 

offline Seracelsus on 2005-09-08 23:49 [#01718274]
Points: 175 Status: Lurker | Followup to chaosmachine: #01718261



they do that in a chapter of Douglas Hofstadter's book
Metamagical Themas. it's pretty amusing :} and ... dorky.
but i liked it!


 

offline Gwely Mernans from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2005-09-08 23:53 [#01718277]
Points: 9856 Status: Lurker



yawns

did I just yawn?


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-09-09 00:06 [#01718284]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker



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offline uviol from United States on 2005-09-09 00:21 [#01718290]
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wow, I can see it now:

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offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-09 00:27 [#01718294]
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