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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2005-09-08 22:23 [#01718254]
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if you're reading this, we both exist. isn't that nice to know?
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uviol
from United States on 2005-09-08 22:29 [#01718256]
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Actually it kinda throws a monkey wrench into my theory. Thanks alot.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-08 22:32 [#01718257]
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Perhaps you should double check the axioms used as a base for this theory.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-08 22:33 [#01718258]
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The more pain you feel, the more real you feel. It's better to not be real.
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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2005-09-08 22:34 [#01718259]
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i dind't use any axioms as a base for my theory. it's just a thought that popped into my head.
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Seracelsus
on 2005-09-08 22:36 [#01718260]
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i know i'm real but you could still be a bot as far as i know. :-/
but i believe in you chaosmachine!
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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2005-09-08 22:42 [#01718261]
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i was reading an article the other day about someone who wasn't able to convince other people on AIM he wasn't a chatbot.
i think it would be fun to pretend to be a chatbot.. kind of a double-crossed turing test.. how well can a human pretend to be a robot pretending to be a human.. you could really play with people's minds if they thought you were supposed to be a chatbot..
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-08 22:58 [#01718263]
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I would just ask the questionable chat bot to do something like talk in pig latin. If it WAS a chatbot, it'd probably say something like "i am not familiar with pig latin". Then I'd simply describe how it works, just in case it really is a human that has never heard of it. It would be quite difficult for a computer to do that. If the designer was already aware of this tactic and programmed pig latin understanding into it beforehand, I'd choose some arbitrary mutation of language I made up on the spot. Any human could do it easily. Then again I'm not sure how good massively parrallel processors currently are at stuff like that.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-08 23:02 [#01718264]
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Or just be like... quick- what's (568893844 + 45849920 + 046909246 + 2405726) / 4
A chatbot in a turing test would have to be programmed to lie and say it doesn't know the answer (quickly) to appear more human. It would be hard for it to figure out which things it should or shouldn't lie about.
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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2005-09-08 23:09 [#01718266]
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well, my idea would be to just act like a normal bot for a while, and then blow their mind with something really profound or insightful. they'd be like "wow, this is pretty incredible". and then go back to normal chatbot mode.. just leave them wondering..
or slowly become more and more human as the chat goes on, and see how long it takes for them to notice you're not a chatbot.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2005-09-08 23:09 [#01718267]
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big diff between existing and living i think
or maybe there isnt
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-08 23:23 [#01718269]
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We are the mass of the earth, therefore we are the earth (weee aaare the peeeeooople). Quite an odd manifestation of a planet.
Things exist either because they have recently come into existence or because they have qualities that made them unlikely to be destroyed in the past. Rocks rarely come into existence but when they do, are durable. Dew drops frequently come into existence but when they do, evaporate soon. So... what if our entire universe is filled with building blocks of the dew drop kind. They are allowed to be durable only because our universe lacks some sort of equivalent power that would cause their "evaporation". If our universe ever comes close to another universe that DOES have this property, our entire universe could just suddenly stop being durable "mass" and evaporate. I hope this happens.
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ymenard
on 2005-09-08 23:41 [#01718272]
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I am, because of what I am not.
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thatne
from United States on 2005-09-08 23:43 [#01718273]
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There can be only one.
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Seracelsus
on 2005-09-08 23:49 [#01718274]
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they do that in a chapter of Douglas Hofstadter's book Metamagical Themas. it's pretty amusing :} and ... dorky. but i liked it!
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2005-09-08 23:53 [#01718277]
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yawns
did I just yawn?
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-09-09 00:06 [#01718284]
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uviol
from United States on 2005-09-09 00:21 [#01718290]
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wow, I can see it now:
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-09 00:27 [#01718294]
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