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what does it matter what skills they use to make tunes when the final product is all that you can HEAR anyway? |
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it doesn't matter. |
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I really like that they write patches that generate the tracks themself, makes the whole thing more "ghost in the shell" and cool |
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no it does matter if you're a FUCKING HARDCORE MUSIC GEEK. but really 99% of people in the world couldn't give a rass clart. |
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so far ill have to agree with both of you |
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i_x_ten thats the best point i think. the nerd/techie appeal. |
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well, the same 99% does not know what autechre is |
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It adds to the mysticism and the whole concept of "lifeless synthetic music by machines" |
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And besides, being a music-geek myself, I can appreciate the musicality/knowledge that they rely on to actually make the patches. |
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just because i like a piece of music, it doesn't mean i care about how it was made. |
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what tracks in particular stand out to you that are machinile dont say cavity job |
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if one wanted to produce the same type of effects they would want to know how it was made |
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why not do something original instead? |
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one who is not original may feel the only way to attain originality is by listening to what he or she considers truly original |
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I'm not really thinking about any track in specific, but having seen the Liccflii patch and studied it I don't rule out that they've used the same approach more and probably improved upon it. Probably made it more modular for easy switching of sound-generators but still using some kind of "template" to string things together, writing new algorithms for different stuff etc. |
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true. every fucking day on xlt "hear my choon. its a bit shit maybe. but i like it. it sounds a bit like BoC in places. i recorded it with distortion." |
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i think autechre's music is a perfect marriage between process and content, conceptualization and "environment." More than anyone else, their music is both thoroughly appealing and yet utterly attached. Its this sense of dissonance that I find interesting. Futhermore, the idea of blurring the line between instrument and song, composition and performance, is very attractive and for the most part, an idea most computer / electronic musicians have difficulty attaining. |
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so why don't you join a guns 'n roses mb instead? |
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fuck - read below: utterly DEtached. |
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Judging by the pics from some of their interviews it would seem like they've also done some envelope/gui based system for laying out compositions. I can imagine the envelopes could control stuff like the min/max integers of various modulators and lfo's that in turn build/evolve the tune/sound. That way they get some human input on the control of the "chaos" for crescendos, breakdowns etc. |
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you can probably work that one out for yourself. |
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Cycling74 has an as-of-now delayed set of plugins coming out called HIPNO. In there, there is one called VSynth that "uses a live video feed as the spectral source." I have my feelings that the jitter portions in those more advanced patches are using the same idea or using OpenGL to render 3 coordinates of sound placement. |
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Probably |
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i've always been interested in the 'how' of music, not just the 'what,' so to speak. so they really stand out to me as amazing creative musicians. |
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if it sounds good then it doesnt matter whatever way you make it. AE are boring to me, why? i dont care whether they make music entirely using computers generating random bullshit. it sounds boring. thats it. i wont want to think about it, i dont care how they made it, im learning max/msp entirely next year but i still dont care at all, they just sound boring and boring boring boring. it sounds borrrrrrrrrrringgggg. if i want random made crap ill listen to all the little children making random shit on eJay. its much more intresting. you are all boring boring boring. autechre are boring. |
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that file that was uploaded sounded like a retarded monkey hurling poops onto the keyboard within rebirth. who fucking cares. it takes talent to make a good track. and autechre made the patch so they actually know how to use it. |
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maybe you're just not listening for the same kinds of musical elements as people who like their stuff. there definitely aren't many pitches and seldom a lead melody, but the syncopations are really awesome. they are both mathematically precise and laid-back and groovy at the same time, which i think is great. and i love the way they use spatial separation, volume swells and compression pumping to give their tracks a real sense of multi-dimensionality and spatiality, especially in headphones. |
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as long as i can enjoy Stud... i don't care how they do it... |
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whoa! i dunno if u've read this... wow! ... oops! gotta work |
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you gusy are so discussing the old philsophy question of aesthetics |
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what exactly is this old question? |
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"it takes talent to make a good track." no, it doesn't. you're wrong. |
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Yeah I remember that interview. That was a gutsy move by them, heck we have to remember its the same Sean and Rob to whom they answered to this question : _What do you think is the most interesting thing you've done with max/msp?_ With this "a critical theory generator. we used it to generate our manifesto for the lovebytes 2001 catalogue." I think they have to understand many of us like somebody wrote, like to understand not only the WHAT, but also the HOW. We aren't here to copycat Autechre, heck 99.9% of us will fail at that. Anyway we weren't first, that's a big minus to start with. |
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you're an idiot holmes... lo siento, pero it's true. |
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and i love the way they use spatial separation, volume swells and compression pumping to give their tracks a real sense of multi-dimensionality and spatiality, especially in headphones. what |
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Art, on earth, is just what bored humans do to entertain their brains. In the grand scheme of the universe, art has no significance.. or even existence. I think the building blocks of the universe are little strings of english text saying "nothing matters". It'll take centuries and centuries for science to finally allow us to see them, thus rendering the entire painstaking search for them futile. Does it matter if they use computer algorithms? I don't know, does it entertain you? Then it's art to you. Besides computers in general were designed by humans. It's a huge collaberative effort. Anything a computer makes, even another computer or another program, is indirectly made by humans. And the algorithms themselves were designed by autechre who are very very skilled at designing them to do particular things. They can't just produce "music" magically. I bet if the computers were suddenly given their own superior artificial intelligence, they'd wonder why the hell they're being used to do such a futile thing. No, they'd probably know that answer instantly. They would know exactly where their questions are. I hope computers make humanity go extinct soon. |
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Nature produces far superior quality sound, however the laws governing it are a great limit to the types of things it can make. (yes humans are a part of nature but I mean the defination of nature that excludes humans (artificial vs nature)) The probability that nature would accidently come up with LP5 are exactly 0. But if you can remove yourself from your familiarity and real understanding of every day sounds (and you are a crackhead) you can go to the beach or something and listen to the seagulls and waves and such and think it's the most awesome piece of art ever. Of course you might get bitten by a crab or something while your escaped into your purposeless subjective world of "art". Crabs don't give a shit about art probably. They just like to pinch things. Maybe pinching things is art to them. I like crabs. I also have crabs... in my pants. They are my pets. Is this the happy birthday virginpusher thread? I forget. HAPPY BIRTHDAY! |
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you have crabs? |
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They just had babies. If you want some pups let me know (free). |
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