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online big from lsg on 2005-09-04 12:35 [#01715084]
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im figuring out this stuff a bit now (im still using the
darned 404 of fruity cause i didnt get any better tips)
this is stuff i found:
free plugins (im sure it's all spammed before) and books i
might buy (because this wiki page made my head explode:
information overload. i read on future producers forum once
about that computer music book i think (it looked different
though) but going into detail about what a computer does)
nice one too


 

offline Taffmonster from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-09-04 12:39 [#01715087]
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LAZY_electronix


 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2005-09-04 12:55 [#01715098]
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You should try building your own in reaktor, very rewarding.


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2005-09-04 13:41 [#01715124]
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you should try building one with your very own source code
on a a computer made entirely by yourself, very very
rewarding.


 

offline Aphexisatwin from your mom's room (United States) on 2005-09-04 13:42 [#01715126]
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dig your own silicon out of the earth and fation it into
your processor.... even more very very rewarding


 

offline nobsmuggler from silly mid-off on 2005-09-04 13:45 [#01715128]
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it much easier to use someone elses work


 

offline ymenard on 2005-09-04 13:55 [#01715132]
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vibrators oscillate


 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2005-09-04 13:56 [#01715134]
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cheapshots


 

offline khonnor from beanbag village (Malta) on 2005-09-04 14:03 [#01715136]
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you want an oscillator synthesizer? You are your own!
As you've probably read, every sound we can hear can be
broken down into sine waves but natural sounds are very
complex and difficult to emulate. However with oscillators
all you have to do is isolate a small part of a wav and loop
it. Then you can put these into samplers (in flp yes too).
Try to make a square by distorting the sine wave until it
clips and has only 1 peak and one trough . Experiment with
isolating different shapes in sounds. And these guys talking
about programming your own in reaktor/your own computer...
it would take about 3 seconds. Honestly.


 

offline khonnor from beanbag village (Malta) on 2005-09-04 14:05 [#01715137]
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btw any electrical impulse is considered synthesized once it
is sped up to the speed of human hearing. just an
interesting synthesis point



 

offline khonnor from beanbag village (Malta) on 2005-09-04 14:09 [#01715139]
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ah by the way, have you tried 3xosc????
its kind of weak but will get the job done. Try layering a
shape you created yourself (with a "layer" generator) with
the 3xosc. you can get some amazing using that process.


 

offline khonnor from beanbag village (Malta) on 2005-09-04 14:38 [#01715148]
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the 3xosc has 3 simple oscillators

sine, triangle, square, saw, TB303 saw, noise, custom(?)

custom is also reall ycool because you can load a .wav in
there and it will treat it like an oscillator as well


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2005-09-04 14:48 [#01715153]
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FL?


 

offline ymenard on 2005-09-04 14:48 [#01715154]
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Tonight I'll say to my gf

"Did you know the sound that its making down there between
your legs, its actually a synth! Yes let me play with the
different ADSR settings. Good girl".


 

online big from lsg on 2005-09-04 14:55 [#01715161]
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k :)
i only get that 3xosc and ts404 of fruity sound not good
because it emulates the amp (tube or whatever) bad, i used
to think it should sound good cause it's just a frikkin'
sinus it has to mimic, but apprantly it doesnt
ive used pro53 of native with some successes but i figured i
had to start first real simple with just on oscillator wave,
ill just try some plugins and maybe something like reaktor,
but the thing is when im making music things have to get
done quick quick quick


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2005-09-04 15:09 [#01715166]
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ok the oscillator is the basic sound generating block in a
synth, but to get a sweet sound you need sound altering
blocks:

OSCILLATOR-->FILTER-->AMPLITUDE-->

The basic waveforms for oscillators are
sine,square,triange,saw,etc.
Each has a different sound. Sine waves are the simplest with
no harmonics, the others have more harmonics and a 'richer'
sound.

With harmonically rich waveforms the filter can cut off some
harmonics to produce interesting sounds.

Layering oscillators will also produce intersting sounds of
a more complex nature. As stated above, all sounds can be
simplifed down to a series of sinewaves. By running multiple
oscillators together you generate a series of sinewaves
which vary in phase and produce more complex 'everyday'
sounds. By adjusting the filter, and adding resonance, the
sound can be radically adjusted.

Using envelopes to control the filter and amplitude can let
you do sweeps, quick stabs, all sorts. Using low frequency
oscillatos (LFO) to modulate these or the oscillator can
produce cyclic varyations, tremolo,panning, sirens,
slicing,swooshing, all sorts ofsounds.

So there is more to it that just the oscillator. Set the
oscillator to produce a harmonically rich noise, like a
square wave or something, leave it alone and adjust the
filter then maybe modulate the filter and amplitude by
envelopes.

more info-I've linked to the sound on sound synth
secrets articles, they should tell you everything, hopefuly
in not too much detail. I dunno if what I've said is too
basic, or not helpful, but hopefully the link can help you.


 

offline khonnor from beanbag village (Malta) on 2005-09-04 15:19 [#01715168]
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righto. thats essentially what I was saying but simplified
and in my own words. This gets us closer however (in terms
of harmonic complexity) to talking about different TYPES of
synthesis like AM and FM. Obviously something like granular
synthesis doesn't belong in the thread but if you're
interested Big, we can cover lots of ground.

And what I was saying about the Reaktor patch was mildly
understated. YES it is very easy to create an oscillator
within reaktor or any other modular interface (as they are
usually used for clocking functions or modulating another
sound/itself) but there are subtleties and complexities
within envelope and filtering that aren't so easy to master.

I'd highly recommend playing around with reaktor now that I
think of it.



 

offline khonnor from beanbag village (Malta) on 2005-09-04 15:25 [#01715169]
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by the way: fruity loops is also very good for experimenting
with static envelopes within the sample window however for
dynamic things (which are most interesting these days...
kraftwerk treaded their soil ages ago) which can be created
within flp with much stress via math controllers and
automation, it is much preferred to use something like
Reaktor which is modular and allows clocking and
manipulation of nearly every aspect of a sound. Whew talking
about this stuff gets me hot! honest!


 

offline khonnor from beanbag village (Malta) on 2005-09-04 15:37 [#01715171]
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and: sound design is an art in itself. and usually takes a
lot of time :>


 

online big from lsg on 2005-09-04 16:56 [#01715208]
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what does modular mean? does it have to do with:
Designed with standardized units or dimensions, as for easy
assembly and repair or flexible arrangement and use: modular
furniture; modular homes.
source


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2005-09-04 17:00 [#01715210]
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Have you ever made a kazoo using a piece of wax paper and a
comb?

That's pretty awesome.


 

offline khonnor from beanbag village (Malta) on 2005-09-04 17:39 [#01715238]
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modular meaning osund is created/augmented using modules!

pieces or whtever


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-04 17:40 [#01715239]
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I can make an owl hoot emulator with my hands and breath.


 

offline maphive from 3% step and 54foot-slide on 2005-09-04 19:39 [#01715322]
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lol @ this thread


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-09-05 08:51 [#01715483]
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:D


 

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offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2005-09-05 11:38 [#01715539]
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hahah Kazoos are really very cool, I've sampled one and its
so cool, just bust out a jam on that kazoo, then loop it,
beats messing around with black and white notes on a
keyboard.

The owl hoot emulator is slightly cooler tho, cos its
modular, so you can repatch the modules to do a wicked clap
emulation and also with the optional mod grip turn it into a
funky live performance tool.


 


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