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check out the video at NI it's pretty cool. |
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he designed shit loads of the presets and (i think) instruments in NI's electronic instruments 2xt which by the way is fucking wicked |
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pretty cool stuff |
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he made vector, i know that |
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I just might buy pro agonist, his stuff is really good. |
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"Interview by Sheikh Ahmed" what? the fuckheads, Ahmeds the fucking man |
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That video and interview at Native Instruments is getting people talking, isn't it? |
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i dont get it... whoopdy doo. People have been doing shit like that in Max/MSP for years. |
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Max... that's the thing that's kind of like Reaktor except thin and scratchy sounding, right? |
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hahaha.......... yeah, I think we're talking about the same thing. Do you mean that app/programming environment that can do everything reaktor can do (and then some) in less than half the CPU expendature? yes, that's max. |
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Don't get me wrong, I like Max/MSP too but I have a beef with its sound quality. The low CPU usage comes at a price: it sounds tinny. Its user library, such as it is, is for shit. Max users tend to be academic weasels with no interest in sharing their work and even if they did it'd be a midi motor-control unit for an art installation that drops grains of rice into a boot. Sure you can program your own Max components if you happen to be a DSP wizard in C but do you think they'll sound as good or be as CPU efficient as the oscillators and filters that NI built into Reaktor? Personally I have no interest in building such as a sawtooth osc but if that is your kink you can do it in Reaktor too with the new core technology. |
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I dont entirely disagree with anything you said there. Re: Max user lib - agreed sucks. Re: tingy - I dont know, could be not enough good users on there with synthesis knowledge or Reaktor doing some legwork for its users to begin with (which mind you, is a not necessarily a bad thing) A few points - Max is somewhat on the academic (read -"noise") side of things. This does indeed get on my nerves. As far as any type of community base with Max particular to say "IDM" it just isnt out there. Interestingly enough, the majority of the people out there that are somewhat more "established" do in fact use Max. To name a few - Eight Frozen Modules, edIT, phthalyocyanine, AE, jega, lexaunculpt, etc. There has to be a reason why they are choosing something like Max over Reaktor, no? Maybe they are using Reaktor through the [vst~] object in Max... who knows! The thing is, given the amount of (aforementioned) users twiddling with Max, I do find it odd that there isnt more information out there in regards to patches, programming tips, etc. with the use of Max in the creation of more beat-driven idm style music, ya know? I've been looking for quite some time and the only thing I have come across is Twerk's patches, Kevin Blechdom's experiments, and the infamous AE patch from EP7. I'm looking more for something that more or less orients one into using Max for more chaotic and rhythmically timed stuff. Something like "A User's Guide to Approaching IDM in Max/MSP" Hell, maybe I'll write it! Anyone wanna help? |
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hmm.... most of edit's stuff sounds like wave editors to me. |
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i feel nerdy, i laughed at that |
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seen him live a few times. He's def. using Max there on each occassion. |
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One thing I've tried was to control Reaktor from Max using Midi Yoke. That way I could have Max's programmability with Reaktor's sound quality. It worked but there were still drawbacks. Number one, and this was the killer, Max has crappy tables. I was storing data in them and you can only have one sequence per table. With the tables in Reaktor you can have, for instance, one table with 32 different sequences in 32 different slots. Number two, I hated that the regular sliders / faders in Max don't give feedback as to when the mouse button is clicked down on them. I know there's a mouse info module but it's global and you have to parse it to find out what area's being clicked and see what it applies to. This compared to the xy faders in Reaktor that tell you when they're clicked, or the mouse area that can be sized and can have multiple instances in an instrument. So I ended up rewriting most of my Max stuff in Reaktor. It was not easy and it mutated in transit but I'm happy with how it turned out. |
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Awesome. Though did you ever try to store stuff in the [coll] object? From what I understand that can gather and store a ton of information. Then there are the jit.matrices too... In any case, I think getting Max into other environments DOES have possibilities. |
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Hmmmm. Is the data in coll automatically persistent between sessions when you save a patcher, or do you have to specifically tell it to write and read separate data files? At a certain point this shit becomes easier to do with a general purpose written language instead of a specialized graphical language... that's the point at which I ask myself why I even bother. :D |
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hahaha, I hear you. From what I remember, a coll will save the data with the patch itself. A table saves out though. |
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On a semi-related note (From Tim Exile) - "Actually I'll tell you what made me switch from PD to Reaktor for live use... it was that the HD Read module was coded for Linux and I was using Windows 2000. It worked OK at first, but when my patch was near completion I started having real problems, unsolvable ones, possibly caused in part by lots of reblocking as well. Programming in PD is a brainteasing joy. I love the message handling, and I love the fact that, should you wish, you can make your own interactive GUIs etc. I love the open-source nature of it. BUT it has downsides as a result... such as objects that don't work on all platforms, unsuspected surprises in places that you really would expect them to have been ironed out. There are areas where Reaktor patently isn't as powerful as PD... packing and unpacking of multiple messages is far far more versatile than having to create polyphonic instruments in order to send multiple data down the same wire. The file-handling; the automatable, resizable, and should you wish totally reprogrammable, graphic objects. Reaktor isn't there yet. Although it's getting there. However, there are some basic technical areas where PD falls down for me. Mostly notably the way the audio and control rates relate via blocking. I find it very hard to imagine circumstances under which the PD system of calculating control data once every audio block of X samples is superior to Reaktor's essentially CPU rate calculations. I remember making some granular algorithms in PD, using the TTT modules and man it was a nightmare! With Reaktor you don't need workarounds like this... events just arrive whenever, even inbetween audio samples. Also for fedback delay you need to reblock to a block-size of 1 sample (or however short you want your minimum delay time to be), which makes things a little unstable...." |
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"...Maybe PD has moved on since I left it. When I moved over to use Reaktor for my live patch my full intention was to go back to using PD for other projects, but then Reaktor 4 came out, and now we have 5 with Core... which IMHO is way more powerful for low level DSP programming that ANY other visual digital modular I've seen. In fact even command line ones... but I haven't checked out Supercollider so I can't speak for that. I'd like to get back into PD one day but I've found my instrument of choice which hasn't really hampered me yet. I'm lucky in that I had registered SyncModular before Reaktor, so when NI headhunted Dr Sync (Vadim) I got a free version of Reaktor. This means that I've been lucky enough to have paid about £33 for it." |
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what's all this nerd talk here??? |
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you guys better back all of this talk up with some soundsamples. :) |
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tim is the man - his new CD is pure rock and also saw him at elekrowerkz a couple of weeks agao and his live show is just fucking immense!!!! |
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does anybody have the tim exile patch by any chance? i'm not sure if i can log into the ni page there |
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anyone....come one |
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hehe well I've tryed to download. but it doesn't work if you're not registerd on NI with R5. I am registerd with absynth 3.0 but that doesn't help either. |
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crap tastic |
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I believe fleetmouse is registerd with r4 and maybe also with r5. you could ask him if he's in a good mood. |
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yeah, you need to be registered with 5 specifically. If anyone gets it, could you upload it to YSI or something? Regardless, I would like to check it out. |
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