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Faith requires a belief in the unknown or the seemingly unlikely. But, You can not BELIEVE that you KNOW something UNKNOWN ? You WANT to believe....you DECIDE to believe. But your believe in god can not come from this decission ? |
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You can not BELIEVE that you KNOW something UNKNOWN To believe that you know something unknown is to acknowledge the fact that you cannot know, for certain, whether you know something that is "UNKNOWN", but you have faith that you do know it. To believe in the existance of something, God for example, is something entirely different. |
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i'm confused. need more coffee. |
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yeah the choice of words was unfortunate. I should've added "To believe in the existance of something, whose existance is unknown, God for....." to the last paragraph. |
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How so ? I believe that I believe ? You WANT to believe....you DECIDE to believe. Therefor my BELIVES are based on a DECISSION |
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Yes, if that is the case, they are. However, in regard to religion, people are indoctrinated systematically at a young age, so as to condition them to believing.. So in most peoples' cases, their belief in God isn't down to their own decision. |
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many people with faith believe there is proof, for example, miracles. |
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So, only CHRISTIANS produce CHRISTIANS and not the BIBLE or god himself? |
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err. Interpretting what you wrote as "So, CHRISTIANS produce only CHRISTIANS....." - when did I say that? Please rephrase your question. Interpretting it as "So, only CHRISTIANS produce CHRISTIANS...." - well yes, that would make sense. Christians usually don't strive to turn people into muslims or buddhists, do they? |
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sorry, i must correct you. it's beliefs the idea of belief doesn't just come from nailing the idea of 'God' into the minds of children through religion. think of fairies, father christmas, the bogey man for example. saying this, i do woner if it would be at all the same if we didn't condition children into believing other worldy ideas |
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i have known of christians coming from non christian families. their main influence was their peers in their case |
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No they don't. Chicken don't strive to turn chicken into elephants for example. Why is that? Because of an evolutionary process. |
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oh right, so the evolutionary process takes care of the transformation from chickens to elephants. Right. You've got a pretty bizarre train of thought, man. |
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i find that statement interesting because it puts forward the question: is a belief in the supernatural a prequisite for a belief in a deity? |
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prerequisite. know what i mean know what i mean. |
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No, i meant an evolutionary process can not go backward, it simply ceases to exist...same with religion |
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instinct would tell me that a belief in the supernatural is needed |
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however i don't like making sweeping statements like that |
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Ok, so taking your second post into account, your example that you provided in the first means that you figure that chickens evolved from elephants. Right. Other way around. Sorry I misunderstood you. Bizarre. Get your fucking head seen to. |
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Yeah yeah, chicken will never go back in evolution. start all over and become elephants....thats what i meant |
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Chicken don't strive to turn chicken into elephants for example. Why is that? Because of an evolutionary process. |
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I don't think you meant to go down that round at all! There's a huge difference between your species and the workings of the mind (even so, chickens? humans are the only species capable of 'turning' one thing into the other and even then it's not the same at all!). It looks like you're talking about this chicken thing in a completely literal sense. |
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I know it was meant to be an analogy, but it didn't make sense to me, and when I asked monoid it seemed he was asserting that chickens evolved from elephants.. or the other way around or something. i don't know. what i'm saying is, I didn't mean to make a mountain out of it, but i'm kinda glad i did now. you dug a hole for yourself with this one, monoid old chap. time to finally admit defeat and perhaps: 1) take some advice this board has been giving you for years and go outside or 2) take some advice this board has been giving you for years and do yourself in |
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i hope you're not the one responsible for his death! |
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was just thinking that. pft. doubt it. he's been told to kill himself numerous times before - i was even so kind as to point out the obvious alternative, that of making a somewhat livable life. ah well. monoid, we hardly knew ye, we hardly knew ye. |
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I can't describe what I'm feeling right now. it's like guilt mixed with regret, confusion and dismay |
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i feel like a good fucking |
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haha! well yes, there's always that |
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no , i meant Monoid's first post :) perhaps i should've followed-up, perhaps.... |
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shit. monoid is no longer online |
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OK now, everyone now know now what I meant ? A christian will not go back and become a Muslim, thoug they believe in ONE GOD. |
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I meant THE WHOLE CHRISTIAN RELIGION, not just one of its members |
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Christianity sprang from Judaism, if anything, monoid. Stop this bullshit creating topics for "intellectual discussion" when you're obviously in over your head. |
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Oh, it's the weekly Monoid Gets Philosophical Thread. Greatness. |
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let's not be serious for a moment then: Baby I know you're asking me to stay Say please, please, please, don't go away You say I'm giving you the blues Maybe You mean every word you say Can't help but think of yesterday And another who tied me down to loverboy rules |
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Are you trying to suggest that you are smarter than me? Lol. Keep telling that to yourself. But don't tell me what to do, and Judaism or not, that aint even the question dude |
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well, it certainly comes across that he is smarter than you. this thread is shite. |
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I'm smart enough to have a life and to not wallow in self-pity and self-indulgence, publicly, on an internet message board. |
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You forgot to mention that you have to ressort to ad hominem attacks, when you lack arguments |
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I created this thread. Self proclaimed "smart people" post in it. Therefore this thread is "smart" and so Am I, because I created this thread I am even smarter |
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There's nothing to discuss or argue here, Monoid, because as usual you don't know what you're talking about. These threads are just as fucking useless as your "what is it like to kiss a girl" or "i think i'm ready to die" threads. Give up. |
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The "self-proclaimed smart people" posted in it to tell you how wrong you were. They kept posting in it because you kept being wrong, throughout the thread. This does not make you a smart person, let alone smarter than the "smart people". |
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1) What was the name of that electro track in Shaun of the Dead 2) Would you like some sheet music (if I can still find it!) |
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1) Couldn't find out. I ended up watching lots of extras on the DVD and laughing (a bit) but not finding out.. I even searched out 2 of the songs listed on that imdb page which sounded like possible contenders but they weren't... 2) Yes please!! And, if possible.... an mp3 of trondheim would be deaaadly :o |
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werent they listening to "white lines"? or did i just make that up. pretty bizarre that they had a drukqs poster on their staircase though. |
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Bwhaha. These threads aren't "useless" or "pointless", even if their only point is to tell me how "pointless" they are, they HAVE a point, and they make SENSE. You can not deny this, and if you do, you aren't very smart |
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That's one of the ones listed on the imdb page, but I couldn't find it. I hope you're right :) First one to find an mp3 of it wins a prize.... of being pestered by me for it. :D |
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Where EXACTLY was I WRONG ? I though we kinda agreed? Maybe you misunderstood me. |
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the first post the chickens / elephants analogy the christianity evolving from islam thing |
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Sorry, maybe I should make myself more clear: AUTOPOIESIS: the process whereby an organization produces itself. An autopoietic organization is an autonomous and self-maintaining unity which contains component-producing processes. The components, through their interaction, generate recursively the same network of processes which produced them. An autopoietic system is operationally closed. Therefore a Chicken can never become an Elephant (tho they have many things in common) |
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