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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-02-21 20:24 [#00096130]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular
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so I went and caught this flick last night...I am a somewhat avid fans i.e love his earlier works..Blood Simple, Raising Arizona, Millers Crossing, Barton Fink..but beyond that even though I have made a point of watching everything religously the outcome has been mixed..Fargo was just so plain and cold..Hudsucker Proxy was border line genius...The Big Lebowski amiable enough with a few memorable moments while O'Brother just blew:(
Didn't think that much of the new film either...I mean it was an excellent film by an standards..the revisonist crash course in Film Noir, had the look and the feel just about right, ticking all the staples of the genre on the list along the way....and yet I found it flat and unengaging..one of the uncanny features of Film Noir has always been the characters..no matter how despicable are so well rounded and real that you care for them..the Coens themselves achieved that in Miller's Crossing and Blood Simple...but in this new film...I couldn't care less..the whole thing was so cold and clinical that the barbes smock might as well have been a morticians's...the cursory attempts at surrealism seemed forced almost an after thought...and the strangely conservative and moralistic endindgseemed like a jury (read test audience) rigged add on...all in all the more they master the craft of cinema and more polished their output..the farther they are going from what made their movies such a thrilling and memorable experience...so the question is..have we lost another maverick talent (r.i.p Gus Van Sant ;() to clutches of the mainstream oscar's driven drama crowd?...am I the only one who feels this disengagement from this film or have I totally lost it and wont know a good movie if it hit on the head with a bucket of popcorn?
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Ubik
from United States on 2002-02-21 20:41 [#00096138]
Points: 662 Status: Lurker
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explain how they have gone mainstream? why is Raising Arizona independent and O Brother mainstream? O Brother was funnier than the average hollywood film, so it cant blow that much. Hudsucker Proxy was borderline genius, but also borderline failure at the same time, doesnt totally work.
of course, the character "the man who wasnt there" was intentionally lifeless, and the one time he tries to break out of his mold of being part of the surroundings, everything goes absurdly wrong. how are you expected to guy about the Billy bob character, if he hardly cares himself? the oddest thing in the movie was his obssession with the girl, sort of "what if his life...", but then he finds out she is just another normal gal, the fantasy shatters, and then she gives him a blow job and then the car crashes, the girl is completely gone, and he is now accussed of murder. symbolizism for the his "bubble" breaking? i can't decide if it works... i flawed movie, true.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-02-21 21:03 [#00096158]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular
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well Raising Arizona is independent, because..well it was independently produced..O'Brother..big studio production..wasn't just that but also they genre they chose to riff on so to speak..a musical versus a kidnap caper a well trodden domain from B to Z grade...Hudsucker Proxy as well as Barton Fink are borderline failures that's what I found so exciting about them..the chaos, the mess..yes the main character so intentionally lifeless I figured that part out all by myself (wheee) but so was was everybody else around him..his wife..Big Dave...(drunken fits and, bravura does not constitute well rounded characterisation to me..sorry) and his wife and especially Birdie..The only charcter that oozed any character was the pansy dry cleaner.who looked alive (with a fluttering toupee) even in death..the whole UFO metaphor was a total loss as well as Ed's sudden attachment to this teenage girl...and if his wife couldn't care less about his thoughts on anything or one why all of the sudden commit suicide when she does find out that he knows of her affair with Big Dave..sorry didn't buy it for a sec..
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