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I don't think bruce lee invented it all, but to say that he wasn't a martial artist clearly demonstrates ignorance. read his book and watch the documentaries about him. he was a true martial artist and he clearly had one of the most diverse martial art backgrounds as he'd practiced just about any form of martial art before his death. There are few alive today (and fewer alive before) who could've beaten him in a fair match. |
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i hate him. and van damme too. and chuck norris. and chackie chan. and and |
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I said that in the way someone disses someone they don't respect by saying 'he ain't even...' I've seen the films, documentaries, and read his books and it isn't so impressive - he popularised the kungFu film in the West, so the West hail him as the best - a common error they make [see the ebbulient praise for Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon]. He was a film star first and foremost. The real ones live in monasteries and amongst the common folk and, though I don't like this 'oh he could have beaten the whole world and her grandma' attitude, I'm fairly confident that these people would have wiped the floor with him. |
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you need to see some really amazing martial arts films! you have to watch the same few moves over and over just to make out what they're doing. Its unbelievably fast! usually the films with the worst covers and overdubbing have the best martial artists :) |
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I have little doubt that a shaolin monk (once again the popularization, but in this case there is a reason why this particular monastery became famous) could beat him in a pure kung-fu fight, but remember that bruce not only pracitced kung-fu.. he also did (nevermind my spelling of these, I don't know the true one as it differs from place to place) tae kwon-do, karate, aikido, judo, jui jitsu, boxing, muay thai, and his own Jeet Kune Do (Jun Fan).. there's probably some more too... diversity is always better, which is why I find that "regular" kung-fu (wing chun) seems pretty superior to (shotokan) karate for instance.. of course it'd depend on the practicioners, but the more diverse kung-fu just seems to stand a better chance against the at times rigid karate. Too bad most sports fights these days are "same art" fights and they rarely mingle (at least not on sports channels) so seeing a real match between the two would be down to finding some good practicioners 'round here and setting up a match... I don't think I'll do that... ..as long as you acknowledge he was more than a movie-star (he did actually have his own school and he did work his way back from a broken back and a "you'll never walk" to complete recovery)... |
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the mixed martial arts fights on tv are just brawls, between brutes and even bigger brutes... |
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haha! do you doubt my skills in kung-fu movie watching? I've spent many hours at a vcr rewinding and step-playing in my lifetime, and I've enjoyed every second of it! Kung-fu movies rock, and the sport itself also rocks! I wish I'd had the money to start practicing when I was younger... |
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the only mixed martial arts fights I've seen are those "no particular style" fights with one guy doing thai and one doing karate, and they're both really just built for boxing. |
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oh, and I agree on that about people praising things like chrouching tiger for being "ground-breaking" when there are soooooo many other good wuxia movies out there before this! fortunately, the succses of crouching tiger made dvd-releases if other and older wuxia more easily accessible... |
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no... i don't!!! |
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Yes I said I know about him - It seems you don't know Shaolin Kung Fu because it covers all the other martial arts, which are eventual derivatives. It is pure and therefore unsullied and all-powerful. |
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it's all about DVD 'instant replay' buttons! :D one of my my favourite bruce lee shots is still when he kicks the lightbulb out in way of the dragon. classic. |
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I know shaolin, but those other arts i mentioned have nothing to do with kung-fu (except for wing chun.. I think he branched out into other kung-fu arts than this too, but I'm not sure). Aikido, judo, jui jitsu and Karate developed independently in Japan. Tae Kwon-do developed from the koreans wanting to kick samurais off their horses, muay thai.. I don't know much about muay thai.. I don't find it nice to look at, but that could be me... Jeet kune do was a synthesis of all the arts bruce knew, and he held kung-fu highest, so of course there's lots of kung-fu in it. |
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The source of all of these is the earliest Kung Fu I think you'll find - since it includes the throws of Judo and the hits of Karate etc etc. It even includes boxing and that's mainly a western pursuit! |
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considering the likelyness of two separate people developing the same moves to counter a move and the fact that the japanese arts developed before they'd gotten into real ocean travel and most likely not reached china yet plus the early japanese dislike of foreign things I think it's pretty safe to assume that most japanese martial arts' origins have nothing to do with chinese martial arts. martial arts all developed from simple regular people devising ways to protect themselves from attackers and were only put into system later. |
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I'M JUST THE COOK |
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steven segal (closest to camera) mariah carey is the one behind on the right |
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heard him play? |
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i'm happy this steven seagal thread has so much replies... go steven go!!! tolstoyed: i don't like italian movies, i find them very boring (apart dario argento, but unfortunately i hate horror movies) |
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I don't want to be arguing the toss all day, but there are links between all the arts of the Far East -- and Shaolin Kung Fu is the earliest documented martial art. Next you'll be saying that the Religions of the Far East aren't related! And Shaolin Kung Fu was first taught to the Buddhist Monks to aid their practice! |
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"Steven Seagal is a fucking fuckhead. With fucking spray-on hair." DMX, 2002 |
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yeah, I think I actually had this argument with you before at some point too.. I had it with someone on here at least... anyway, let's just agree that it is an awesome and beautiful art! |
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wax on! wax off! |
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tony jaa,its the future |
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Superb actor, horribly underrated. He was so convincing in his brief part in Executive Decision. Just ultra. The Final Option for SNES is an awesome game. |
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I took karate when I was younger. When I am confronted I like to warn the opponent that I am a black belt and they better be prepared. |
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So do you hate non-asian martial artists in general or just Steven Segal? |
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wow, it seems a great game! |
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my favorite part about Steven Seagal is his complete lack of the ability to emote. funny stuff. zeus: yes, his run is particularaly wtf/lol! |
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beer and steven seagal movie tonight |
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nice thread man. sorry i missed this. which one are you seeing? |
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yesterday i watched "half past dead", tonight i'm gonna watch "today you die" or "into the sun"... i'm undecided |
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exit wounds is THE SHIT! |
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get a grip |
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However good Bruce Lee was I'm sure there is someone around that is/was an even better fighter and more than a match - but how will you ever know? He's dead, and wouldn't fight them even if he was alive - so it's a pretty pointless conversation really, which begs the question why I'm bothering to contribute. I admire Lee's philosophies though, it's true that he broke the mold in that his system was to have no system - ie. use everything available to him to win a fight, even biting. And of course he was a true martial arts teacher, fighter, competitor, Jackie Chan is more of a stunt man. |
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he's among the greatest living humans! film star rock star m.arts don personal bodyguard to emp. of japan first westerner to open a dojo for aik. in japan such a hero even tho he is fat and ugly with massive feet environmentalist hippie native american style career dogged by being stuck between the mafia and FBI/CIA these days he hardly even appears in his own films, one recently there was only 1 punch!!! the man is cool as ice check his old pro footage out on youtube, such grace that's the whole point of being a man not a woman, hah hah bruce lee meets clint eastwood meets dali lama meets hugh hefner or something one person i would really love to interview, very misunderstood yes i am obsessed |
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