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who in your opinion is pushing the boundaries in music nowdays? |
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no one, but that's fine. |
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:-) |
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i concur |
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also, there's a piece of chocolate in my navel. |
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Maybe artists like (Although they stopped releasing 3 years ago...) |
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I don't know but I think the genre of poopcore is pushing the boundaries. |
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there used to be quite a few people back in the 50's 60's and 70's who were doing stuff that still sounds more amazing than most of the stuff being released nowdays. personally i find untilted to be very much in that vein.. |
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what do you see as pushing the boundaries, though? and doesn't someones "pushing-the-boundariesness" increases over the years? |
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i wouldn't really call it pushing boundaries, but The Books are the most refreshing and interesting things I've heard in years |
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I would agree on "the lemon of pink", but the new album is kind of a disappointment, I think. |
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i agree. the new album isn't as good as their other stuff, but it still has it's moments. |
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this is a great question, but i'm not sure how to answer. it seems like over the last ten years, avant garde music has become sort of a norm instead of a handful of artists deliberately acting. there's still a lot of innovation, but there's so much presented in a widely-diasporic way that the act of innovating seems almost standardized and generic to me. we're post-post-post-something, eh? :) |
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I just think it's harder to spot this stuff when it comes out and it gets easier the more time has passed. |
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hecker just put out a little 12" with russell haswell |
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yeah, that's a very good point. you may have it there. |
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i guess people beginning to mix in 5.1 are 'pushing the boundaries', even though they experimented with quadrophonics in the 70s, 5.1 is something new. |
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I'm pushing the boundaries! |
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I can't think of anything that really stands out to me, but like has been already said, maybe hindsight will show who was really trailblazing. I hear a lot of things that have a personality or identity all their own, but nothing that really sounds visionary to me in terms of sound and style. Bars continuously get raised though. |
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5.1 isn't that new, people like Zappa recorded stuff on tape with notes on where it was al positioned in a 3d environment, so it could later be done in quad. quite a few people messed around with quadraphonic, which I suppose was 4.4 at the time.. which can actually be better than 5.1 if you have a crap woofer/crossover that lets through some slightly higher frequencies (higher frequencies are directional), a single sub could be located by a good ear but 4 subs would not. however quad is still a speaker short of 5, but it beats stereo. it just seems that HIFI in the 70s was a lot better than the 5.1 most people seem to have now, but home cinema is more about A/V rather than pure audio. Jean michelle jarre released AERO, the world's first fully 5.1 album or something but didnt seem that ground breaking, although I only have "2.0", so have only heard in stereo. Generally you cannot tell now, but in 30 years if it still sounds fresh and modern it prob was pushing the boundaries at the time. |
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i'd still count it as pushing the boundaries though :) |
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most subs these days (excluding "computer speaker" subs) have a rolloff knob which allows you to set the frequency.. the only problem is that most people don't know that the sub shouldn't be active all the time, only on the deep bass... hifi is much better now than in the 70s, but people are just as silly. |
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haha yeah, my old housemate always put the freq.crossover up 'full', as you can probably guess he was the usual d'n'b/commercial hiphop type - not to stereotype... |
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typical! I knew this guy who used to have his sub set so that if he put the tv sound into it, the news-anchors voice would make the sub kick in... annyoing stuff, and listening to music at his place was crap... to top it off he pretended he knew everything about hifi and wouldn't listen when we told him his settings were wrong.. he also used to listen to music with pro logic, and said he liked how the sound became surround.. one day we found out his rear-speakers weren't even connected properly, so they made no sound.. hahah... |
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Well, I think Edan is making something great in hiphop, but from other than that I cant think of any artist or whatever who are creatig something completely new. |
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And Edan is just doing something new, but not really pushing boundaries. So my comments where stupid. |
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yeah hifi technology is better now, but back then it seemed that people had more of a clue, since things were not as straight forward, not just bung in a DVD with 24/96 sound, bring up concert eq preset no 4 and press go. you had to know how a bit about EQ and phasing of speakers and all that jazz, but now its just like bung one in each corner, this big one out of the way and stick the other on the TV |
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Yeah what arf said - the "avant garde" or at least more outside sorts of things are a million times more accessible now, and I guess in one way it's harder to find a niche that hasn't been exploited by some other musical species. A certain ignorance can be beneficial, enabling you emotionally to pour your energy into a style that may have been colonized already but you could put your own unique stamp and spin on if you weren't intimidated by the previous genresquatters. |
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oh, I hope people aren't putting their speakers in the corners... I think hifi shop employees should ask people if they know how to set stuff up and if they don't, they should tell them... even if they don't there are small pamphlets in just about every piece of hifi equipments box telling people how to set stuff up.. people need to read manuals. |
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I don't know about "pushing the boundries", but any music made today that doesn't make me want to stick forks in my ears, and there isn't that much lately, gets a fucking thumbs up from me. |
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there are so much artists in all veins/all kinds of music that experiment further and further, and in so many different directions... you can't know them all... who even knows where the boundaries are now? there are as many "boundaries" as there are different musics, and that makes a lot (probably an infinity). maybe they're being pushed all the time, but maybe we're so much used to it that it just seems normal to us and we don't notice it anymore. |
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cLOUDED |
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cLOUDDEAD. what was i thinking. *hangs head* |
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oh, i wanted to see if everyone could post some artists they think are pushing the boundaries nowdays :) im interested in checking them out, thanks! |
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there seem to be rather few... even noise, [erh.. in norwegian, it's "klangflatemusikk," but I have NO idea what the english would be.. approximate translation would be something like "resonance-surface music"], improvisational and 100% computer-generated music is "old" stuff. |
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yes, him. and anyone who makes music, really. |
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it probably, really, depends on which boundaries you meaned. i don't know if i can decide, it needs more information. you want to know objectively who is at the avant-garde of music right now? fuck if i knew i am still learning about old styles from the decades, jeez christ man. |
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More complicated =! pushing the boundaries |
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i wouldn't agree on that.. no names then? |
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Alva noto. Pan Sonic. Loscil. Richie Hawtin (not anymore... he's totally not even close to the edge). Phoenecia. Thomas Bangalter. Honestly, I think most of the area that needs to be explored and is most effectively being explored is soundspace. |
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interesting..i agree on hawtin! |
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just to add to the surround debate.. I just uploaded a href="http://krampe.olseth.org/musikk/skid.ac3">second surround test track. 5.1. anyone with the equipment to test it? this one is more about using all speakers and seeing if drums would turn out chaotic. |
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downloading... |
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that was cool! it was just when the bass came in that it felt a bit weird, as it ruins the 'illusion' of surround sound. maybe if it was balanced between front and rear it may sound 'better'. |
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hmmm... so it didn't get chaotic with sounds everywhere? ok.. bass goes in the center of the room then I guess... most lower bass isn't directional anyway... great! |
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i hope aphex's next is going to be boundary pushing..i have a strong feeling im right :) |
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maybe the giant steps of innovation are a thing of the past and now what we see are only the variations on the established ideas. i don't see anyone inventing a new rock and roll, but i see people still finding interesting ways of expressing it. |
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yes i agree..but what would be some of those bands doing it today? :) |
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