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Can there be a philosophy behind philosophy? |
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philosophology? the study of the study of philosophy...? |
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i know a bit about philosophy, but i think your question is more of a circular reasoning.. it sounds redundant and doesn't really get at anything by trying to define something by the same word. on that note, i think the main goal of philosophy is the search for truth and justice. all obtained by knowledge and reasoning; the rational mind. dialectic thought, etc.. |
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at least that's how classical philosophy is seen, |
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Platon and Aristoteles. And that. |
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Plato, Socrates, Homer, bla bla good guys though |
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ya rightlefttronic.. i think phiosophy is the study of ideas and human thought.. different philosophies, styles of thinking, ideals, values, morals, how we interpret the universe... but i think in general its the study of ideas.. very abstract, not as concrete as science its not so much searching for searching for right and wrong.. but what underlying principals MAKE it right or wrong.. actually, ya, thats it: the underlying principals of our thought/ideas.... imo |
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AMinal: the "ya rightlefttronic.." was that sarcastic? oh well.. but yes you are right about philosophy striving for the true essence of something; the underlying principals, and not just basing everything on assumptions and mere perceptions, which are deceptive. and the more knowledge you gain on a particular thing (found through the underlying rules and forms), the more real it becomes. and so philosophy is not JUST about tackling what the truth is, it's concerned quite importantly with the process of actually finding it. and to achieve this highest state of reasoning, you need to have a rational mind and evaluate the form of the good, the ultimate form. reason always ranks over perception and images. words speak louder than actions and physicalities when looking for the true essence of something. |
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haha.. no i wasn't being sarcastic, i was agreeing w/ u! (and im not being sarcastic now either..) |
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heeh narf |
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philosophy can possibly be described in one word: why |
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nah, there's more than that. i believe it is better defined as the logic of thought. |
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i agree that philosophy is much about finding the true essence of something, or the underlying principals through logical reasoning, but it is important to realize that no matter how much logical reasoning you use, a philosophy is always based on some basic assumption/s. we usually don't recognize these because they are so programed into our methods of thinking. so, one always has faith in their assumptions, whatever the philosophy. intuitional reasoning is equally as important as logical reasoning so we can feel our way into the philosophies that resonate with our experience. |
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is it called an axiom? that one faith you have from which every other of your philosophies comes from...? like De Cartres "i think therefore i am"... but, the meaning behind the word 'philosophy' may never be realised, as the true meaning behind any word may never be realised, since we never invented these words, someone else did, and they more then likely had very different ideas about what these words ment then when we do today :) the word 'word' for instance may have ment something totally different upon it's conception that it does today |
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yeah, we construct all these institutions to govern our human race, and i think logic and order are incorporated into such. |
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well, the true philosopher, the true lover of wisdom doesn't just base his knowledge and reasoning through assumptions. instead, he merely uses them as hooks or rungs with which to move from a general idea to the specific. and to cheap magnet, this axiom you speak of has more to do with deductions, which is a logic below the form of the good, or dialectic (which is the process of attaining the truth and essence of beauty; pure knowledge). axiom, these deductions, still use good reasoning, but instead they hold assumptions more firmly, moving from a specific to a general thought. by this deductive thought you are still using perception, and thus opinion (and not ultimate knowledge) will still be present. deductive reasoning can be seen in numbers and mathmatics, geometry, etc.. but these ideas still use models and images like triangles, squares to attempt and reach the true. dialectic, through moving from a general principle and form to a specific one rejects perceptions because perceptions contain conjecture and cloud rational thinking. the form of the good is dominant as it sheds itself upon all principles and all that we come to know as real. the sun is a metaphor for the supreme form of the good, it's light cast down upon the real and gives the philosopher more and more knowledge as he "steps out of the cave". he no longer uses perception and sees the shadows in the cave, but sees the form of the good, the sun, the real shine down upon everything and give him knowledge. the more knowledge you gain, the more real and true something becomes; you become wise. |
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i like fucking i like girls then... i like fucking with girls thats pure phylosophy |
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I don't believe in multiple philosophies. I believe in one, absolute, right philosophy. |
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I concider myself a philosopher. I think too much. So does my mates. |
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binaural: what is choor picture of? |
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a philosopher is any person that is always wanting to know more and more...it is not a tittle that you own... and in the search of knowledge you realise that you know nothing compared to the infinity that you dont know... you would better say that you are always in the search of knowledge rather than considering yourself a philosopher |
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leftrightronic: thats me on the pic. nacmat: yeah, you are right. both me and my mate selfequiv have gone off in both long discussions and meditation finding out things not speakable withing the boundries of any languages. literally parazyling ourselves with wonder... but i guess we´re not the only ones.. |
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i love waking life, the movie that is; dreams are too much fun |
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yeah. you a lucid traveller? |
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indeed, been reading up on it as well as remote viewing i would like to merge both |
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do it. |
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philosophy : what's the point? - since it doesn't seem like anything can ever be proved - since we cannot tell if anything exists outwith our perception, how can we lay down truths or axioms? and philosophy uses words, which are dangerous traps which are subjective and prone to being misunderstood, mistrusted and misused -- look at christians for god's sake! look at the twisting of the work and life or frater perdurabo!! we can't even be certain we think or exist or feel - so what is the point of philosophising about it all? i have always tried to experience without thought - and it drove me so far out of being human that i had a nervous breakdown in the process, which was a scary business make no mistake! |
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ya language is so limiting... much to blunt a tool when it comes to thinking about certain things... and then u get into the danger of words forming ur thoughts instead of the other way around.. |
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these days i will often be walking along a street and suddenly *BAM* i am walking on the edge of consciousness itself, feeling like i am about to trip out of existence itself - freaks the fuck outta poor me |
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i see philosophy as an analyzation of life. |
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Philosophy is just something that many need to do, just like many need to create music or poetry or wars. It's all part of the processing that we are constantly going through. Words have their time and place. Words are our current most precise form of cumminication, though we also communicate through touch and such in more subtle ways. I think as we evolve, we will slowly become more and more sensitive to the subtle inflections in someone's voice, or the facial expressions made durring conversation, so that more and more abstract feelings will be able to be expressed through language. Eventually we will become so sensitive that we will be able to read eachother through the vibrations of the air. The subtle vibrations of our bodies reflect our consciousness; the physical world is a manifestion of our consciousness. We will go from communicating through perception of eachother's body language and facial expressions to breathing in the atmosphere and knowing instantly the things on the mind of those around us. I think that this is what telepathy will be. Nothing that defies the laws of physics, just a hypersensitivty that is unimagineable by todays common experience. |
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And I guess this leads to a blurring of the lines between us as individuals. We already bleed into eachother; there is not currently a solid line that seperates me from you (I am sending my thoughts into your consciousness after all) We are like focal points of consciousness and the points are opening up to over lap each other more and more as we increase our communication, the expression of our self. |
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