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I can hear the difference, but its barely noticeable. . . and thats the highest bitrate there is... how much longer till a better medium like ogg and flac become popular? 5 years? |
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whats flac how does it work does it have a bit/rate? i dont know much about these things, and dont really care, but i guess i oughta know if its gonna be the next big thing |
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I'm the next big thing. |
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sorry i meant to say 320kbps is the highest bitrate for an mp3 that there is... |
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flac is the best. i don't know when or if it will become popular. probably not going to be popular for a long time if ever. i guess once everyone has high speed connections and huge hard drives they might possibly want to look into flac, but even then, i doubt it. the thing is that the average mp3 listener thinks 128 is good and they don't really care about quality to begin with or they'd have bought the cd. flac is good for archivers and bootleggers. but there's no reason the average mp3-downloader would want a giant file like that. |
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you're one of these: |
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so whats the size of a 1 min file then? surely if the filesize is massive you may as well have it in a non compressed wav? |
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If I own it, I rip it lossless. If I download, i try to do at least 192. Will the popular format change from mp3 to something else? Probably not. 90% of people are happy with their 128kbps linkin park album downloads. |
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it's still significantly smaller than a wav and it is lossless. |
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so the quality of the original wav and flac would be exactly the same? how does that work? |
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Its the same quality as a .wav, only half the data size. |
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man, if you have a decent pair of monitors of headphones, comparing a lossy format like mp3 to flac is hugely noticable. |
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i definitely notice the difference. |
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compression algorhithms, much the way .zip files are compressed regOlar files. mp3's are even more compressed because they leave out ranges beyond human hearing and stuff. flac includes all data, no loss. approximately 2x larger than a 320kbps mp3, and approximately half the size of a wav. file |
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this has been tested/discussed on hydrogenaudio before. The difference between a eac/lame ripped alt-preset-insane (320kbps) MP3 and the actual Wav can only be noted by a very small 2-3 percent of listeners, and even these had to be trained to look for the very tiny artifacts that only appear in very specific moments within the sound/song using very high end equipment. as you can imagine this is hardly enjoying the music... |
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That's fine with me. I have the hdd space, I am going all-flac from here on out. Might as well, especially in electronic music where I can def. tell a difference between 192, 256, and flac (really noticable) 320 im not totally sure yet ... but i dont hav emuch in 320 to test anyways like i keep telling myself, MIGHT AS WELL JUST GET THE FLAC |
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oh comeone dude, you can't possibly hear the difference between a 320 kbps mp3 and Flac. you just think you hear a difference because you WANT to hear one. |
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ogg is shit imo flac is the future because in a few years 700kbps doesnt cause too much space problems on your disk or downloading |
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Dont tell me what I can hear/cant hear. Go try it yourself. Download Untilted in Flac, then compare it to 320 kpbs. I can also hear a difference in Analord, but i was comparing 320kpbs with the original wav. Theres a fuckin difference. |
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ogg is exactly the same as mp3, only smaller size. |
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Good equipment = Noticeable difference in Mp3 and Flac Depends on the listener ultimately, but if you've gone as far as researching, testing, and getting good equipment, your ears are probably there. |
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here's the best test listen to the 320 (or whatever mp3) for days, months, years. then, one day, get the flacs, and start to listen to that since ive had the same mp3s for years, ive memorized all the little glitches and whatnot that are part of the compression. when i hear the flacs now, i start picking up on all these little subtlties and the like. it's really cool, it's like "whoa ive never heard that before" right now it's been happning a lot on squarepusher music |
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mp3 cannot keep up with ipacial station off untilted, IMO |
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You don't even need good equipment to hear a difference. I keep saying it and I'm gonna say it again: listen to the surround speakers on a surround system that's playing an mp3. You can *really* hear a difference. I have a surround system. I can hear a difference. I use flac. |
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I doubt MP3 will be replaced unless there is a powerful marketing campaign by the majors to get people to switch to something with DRM. Why? Most people out there don't give a flying fuck about the size of their media files. An MP3 at 320 is barely distinguishable from a CD. For people to switch there is going to have to be a compelling argument to switch. Slight sound improvement and smaller file sizes are not it. |
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^^agreed but at least it's there for people who will take advantage and enjoy it (read: us). fuk the mainstream they don't care about details |
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I'm sorry *kisses boo-boo* |
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but it's the same calculations or something? why are there different mp3 rippers then? |
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Different companies make different mp3 rippers. Ogg, i dunno. I'll have to do some research, but the .ogg files on archive.org vs. 192kbps mp3s sound exactly the same, and the .ogg are half the file size. |
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I atually thought it wasnt that much diffrence between a 192 mp3 and a cd before....I been listening tp geodaddi a long time on 192...then I got the real cd!!! and damn, I hear a lot of difference, yall should listen to the CD of Geogaddi! the surround sound and all those details....its lovely what about those flac rips of Analord 10, sounds worse than those rips 224 bitrate rips dps made?????....then I did a spectral analyze of those files I made both files to wav and saw a big difference...the flac "died" at 20000hz (good quality, but very low sound)... the dps died at 16000 hz... I mean both these were ripped from vinyl, but I think the dps rips sounds better even tho its a 224 bitrate mp3, so dont get fooled by the flacs if they are ripped from vinyl...its about how u rip them...from a cd then flac is obviously better. what about converting flacs to mp3? |
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FLAC has already gained alot of popularity. And I think once bleep.com offers everything in flac, it will be used even more round these here parts. |
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its sad I cant play flac files in my portable mp3 player, so then I have to make the flacs to mp3...and then the quality is lost....right :) |
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yeah : / ive been getting bOc flacs lately, and have been WOW'd 0_0 all over again |
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flac is awesome, and it's open source... which is nice. |
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open source??? what does that mean? |
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it means you are free to use the FLAC format however you want to use it. it is patent free. i'm not sure if anyone enforces patents on the mp3 format or not, but it isn't free. |
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Ah... yes. yes they do enforce it. Companies using the MP3 format must pay royalties to a company called Thomson, which owns the MP3 format. The royalty payment for media player programs like Windows Media Player is $15,000 per year plus per-user costs. These costs make their way down to you in the form of higher computer prices and more expensive portable MP3 players. |
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Also, if all of a sudden Thomson decides that they want to charge 47 bzillion dollars, or only allow microsoft to use mp3s they could (i guess)... which would basically leave you fucked if your collection is all in mp3. |
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"what about those flac rips of Analord 10, sounds worse than those rips 224 bitrate rips dps made?????" you just don't have the right flac. i have a newer flac which sounds much louder. |
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as stated above, since recording from a vinyl player, that is the "weakest link in the chain" if someone's recording techniques aren't up to par, then the flac is meaningly compared to a better recording and encoded @ mp3. vlari ripped the ones i have, i think they sound great (haven't listened to his 10 copy yet) but keep in mind he also didn't touch these at all (they are str8 from the player) this DPS group might have touched them up and played with them to get them to sound better ; something vlari left up to you guys. |
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yeah maybe that, but the flac I got was poorly ripped. Even if I amplified it sounded not that fresh, but maybe I should check out those Vlari rips...I wont buy that 70pound vinyl, maybe the cd release tho of analord 10. |
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there ain't gonna be a cd release of analord 10... ... is there? |
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flac 4 life actually i mean that literally. while all you suckas are re ripping every time the in-style lossy compression is improved or replaced, i always have my flacs here. and i can always fully automatically transcode to any lossy format i want without about 2 minutes work required on my part. even though all my cds are sitting pretty in a chest of drawers over, i feel confidant in my current rips that they are as good are exact and perfect, so transcoding from flac to whatever lossy codec has the same outcome as spending forever re ripping from cd directly to lossy codec, except it takes a few minutes rather then hundreds of hours. basically if you refuse to understand why flac has benefits, then you are a cocklock who should shut the fuck up. |
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Thanks for the quick intro ;) I think E-Man wrote in another thread that some flacs he downloaded was slightly distorted, and I got a bit curious/anxious that it was mine. So I compared my rips the the 12" and I found that they were identical. Some of the Analord tracks have a slight distortion on the bottom end, which may be due to the recording of the actual track and not faulty equipment. I did a level check and the they were almost the same too. I'm therefore confident that I've ripped them as well as I could. And as elusive said, I haven't touched them with any post-production software, as I feel the recordings ought to be as honest as possible. |
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your message probably turned away more potential flac users than it gained. |
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I can vouch for Ali's rips <3 <3 <3 |
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your message probably turned away more potential flac users than it gained. the brotherhood of the flac is not concerned with gaining new members who need to be convinced. but yeah, speaking of vinyl rips.... it is very easy with free, good, software and a decent cd drive to get 100% accurate rips of cds. EAC is designed with that purpose, and if you set it up properly, and it rips with a good report, you can be absolutly sure that your flac copy is exactly the same as the cd. with vinyl there are all sorts of issues between the source and the flac file. as elusive mentioned, theres like the turntable, the cables, the preamp, the soundcards digitizing process, and even something such as the levels that everything is set at is pretty important. so im not surprised that people have complaints with vinyl rips. although this has nothing todo with the final distribution format, if someone ripped vinyl poorly and distributed uncompressed wavs, it would sound just as bad. flac by its design, cannot make the source recording (once its on your computer) sound any worse (or better for that matter) |
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