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There is a World of Forms. It is unchanging and perfect; all the absolute answers can be found there. It all stems from the Form of the Good. While medidting to relaxing nature sounds and smelling insensce this morning, I suddenly had a spasm, fell to the floor twitchy and frothing at the mouth, and I went into the world of Forms. I got out of the cave, into the sunlight; I was free at last. I went back to people who were chained up down here, but nobody would listen. You keep watching the shadows if it makes you happy. |
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sorry, but the cave is such a stupid story... it's so half-assed and ill-concieved. |
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i can use my hands to make shadow bunnies. |
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you've recently turned into a kind of Monoid. did he bite you, or something? |
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how very enlightened of you |
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this thread reeks of mushrooms |
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Just because you have not had a spasm, twitched, and fallen to the floor while listening to relaxing nature sounds and smelling insensce, and thus have not seen the World of Forms, does not mean others cannot understand the cave analogy; it is an amazing story, full of hope, wit, statues and sunlight. |
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Man, you're just looking at the fire and thinkin' it's the sun. |
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There is a World of Leather. It is unchanging and perfect; all the absolute bargains on leather sofas can be found there. It all stems from the Leather of the Cow. |
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is there also sexy leather? or just leathery-faced people, like Robert Kilroy-Nazi? |
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i like going in the outside world. i like going walking in a forest for example. think of "The Trees", that wonderful track in Autechre's new marvellous "Untilted" album, and this cosmical hyper-dimensional combination of the nature's truthful excellence combined with Autechre's celestial beauty of love makes me feel the cosmical bliss of the Supreme Astral Great Truth of Love with a magnificent beauty of enlightening feelings. no, seriously, i like going walking outside and this kind of stuff, i'm spending too much time on the internet just because i have nothing else to do (instead of working) and not enough time to really do interesting things... you should go out in nature if you can instead of just listening to nature sounds though. about Plato, i started reading "The Republic" last year for my philosophy class but i gave up at some point, i don't remember where exactly... can't say i found it containing as important ideas as everyone seems to think/say. |
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plato invented the world of the forms because he was fat ugly and poor and hoped to fucking god that it wasnt his only life |
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"sorry, but the cave is such a stupid story... it's so half-assed and ill-concieved." > how so? |
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the world is made of ideas, not matter or objects. spirit directs energy, from which matter is derived. everything is this world is ephemeral, which is to say it does not really exist. only that which is always now and unchanging can be real. you can dissolve back into spirit, or you can become a channel for spirit. the only way to accept the gift of being is to give it away. what you should all remember about plato is that, whether he was right or wrong or whether or not his works were intelligent and incisive or ill-conceived and primitive, he was a really nice guy who would lend you a quarter to get a bus back to the ocean without hesitation... |
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bloody solipcists, always telling me i don't exist :) |
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there's more to the story, but i can see you're busy... labels labels always with the labelsssss hmmmwhat's on tv? |
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you knew him personally? |
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excellent stuff |
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lol! qrter, you are the living end! *wipes tears of laughter from eyes* |
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..what? I really don't understand you at times. |
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pfft philosophy sucks cock harder than devine brown. |
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unfamiliar idiom, eh? anyways, i certainly appreciate the effort... |
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no, qrter. i did not actually know his personally. i knew his great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandson's personal concierge, who relayed this information to me. i can only assume, given the source, that this account is accurate... |
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Aristotle rejected Plato. He wouldn't touch him. |
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i am golden |
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oh gosh, you were trying to be funny! |
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no, qrter. *you* were trying to be funny... |
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*grabs some popcorn* |
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"Aristotle rejected Plato. He wouldn't touch him." If by "rejected" you mean taught in his academy, carried on his tradition, and generally refined the bulk of his ideas within the context of his own... then yes. You are right. He would certainly not touch him. |
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Well. He did love Plato, but unfortunately rejected the theory of forms. He also initiated the rather lovely virtue ethics, right? |
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I think so. There may have been a bit of that floating around but I'm pretty sure Aristotle was the first to get all up in the Golden Mean. (The Med. Christians really bastardized our interpretations of the Greeks. So I'm told.) |
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You guys need to get out more often. |
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lar lar lar lar d d d |
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Proodles. |
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i wonder why he is called platon in norwegian.. drunken? |
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Stop thinking start living. |
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Plato reified his abstractions and 2300 years later we're still struggling to get out of the cesspool he created. plato = wanker |
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I'm no scientologist, but I ... uhh I forgot what I was gonna say. |
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we got it all backwards with technology. we really ought to be living in caves and meadows. |
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"Plato reified his abstractions and 2300 years later we're still struggling to get out of the cesspool he created. plato = wanker" Well, without the Renaissance we'd still be in the cesspool of the Dark Ages... and without Plato being rediscovered again at that point it's hard to imagine the Renaissance even happening. We'd be writing Christian hymns in Max/MSP. |
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Plato was hardly rediscovered at that point - neoplatonism runs straight through the middle ages. What changed in the renaissance was that Plato was combined (ameliorated?) with Aristotelian influence from Islam. |
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THE MATRIX |
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plato said: golden people (for instance statesmen, or rather citizens that were allowed to vote, or something) should only breed with golden people and not with silver people (soldiers for instance) or bronze (or clay i forgot) (for instance workers) this should be done in a lottery where people draw with whom they'll mate, only the thing should be rigged wow, you are so smart plato! |
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Sounds a bit Nazi to me. |
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im now reading 'from plato to nato' by david gress (for studies, im not a intellectual or something) in which is argued that the modern west hardly comes from the greeks, and that the modern civilisation history that argues this is a legitimizing story for whatever. rather the modern west is the synthesis of the freedom of the germans, the compassion of christendom and the late roman empire (with some democracy, more than the greeks anyway) the end |
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I mated with a golden chick once. Let me tell you, once you've had gold, you'll never go back to bronze. |
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Boooooooo! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. |
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I'm always wary of people who try to establish cultural pedigrees as though these things could be sorted out in a family tree - are they trying to get their family into a country club or something? History has a lot more to do with the human nature - at its best, the desire to be lazy and fuck a lot. At its worst, the desire to "reform" or "change" things, generally with as much bloodshed as possible. I've been reading Eric Hoffer's The True Believer - it's short and exciting and depressing. I'll post some quotes soon. |
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History has a lot more to do with the human nature - at its best, the desire to be lazy and fuck a lot. At its worst, the desire to "reform" or "change" things, generally with as much bloodshed as possible. erm, yea, that could be so, and culture history is just a concept that doesnt explain much of what happened in real life i dont know wether social history or mentality history explained much though, cause it reads like such little hard evidence (apart from the heaps of data and numbers, hehe). im not into that much though since i happen to study culture history and didnt do the first two years acquired for history students |
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I guess it's all a case of the blind men and the elephant - one guy feels the elephant's trunk and says it's all about the Greeks. Marx gets teabagged by the elephant and blames it on class war. Etc. I'm so full of shit! (I wanted to say that before anyone else does.) |
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