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i dig john cage. he relaxes and entertains me. |
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4:33 is the best piece ever written. I really like the bit around 1:22. |
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pretentious |
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Great joke. |
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Just smell the erudition, mixed with learned humour, in this thread. |
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Dogs smell revolting. My nose hurts now. Cage isn't as pretentious as Stouckhousen. No offence to guys who like him, but after reading a number of interviews with the guy I came away bitterly dissapointed. |
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3am eternal is pretty good |
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You are an idiot. |
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even if the person John Cage is pretentious? whatever. i mean, people tend to forget that aritists in general are just people who shit and eat. i like the music. |
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Word. |
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I'm sure John Cage is weeping bitterly as he reads that cutting review by Adrian Mole, aged 13 and a qrter. |
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i don't think it's really all that hard to make a case for John Cage being the absolute opposite of pretentious... anyhow, thusfar he's more interesting to me on a conceptual level than in terms of the music he composed... but i've really not heard very much, and i'm not sure i'm ready to plunge into modern classical just yet... |
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JOHNNY CAGE WINS |
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FATALITY |
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Read his book, Silence; it's fantastic. |
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"Those were $500 sunglasses, asshole!" |
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omg .... sub zero has entered the gaym |
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he is not pretentious. but he was when he was alive. |
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i bet it's all empty pages! rofl |
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you can buy the sheet music for 4'33 |
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i got that |
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it's not all empty pages actually, it's got like two pages, with some text saying when it was performed, in what ways it can be performed and that it can be performed with any instrument or combination of instruments by any instrumentalist(s) oh and that the movements (cos it's divided in 3 parts) may last any length of time |
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oh big wasn't referring to 4'33" :D anyways, if someone wants to see some bad quality captures of the amazing sheet music, be my |
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i know this probably isn't worth me saying this hear, but i'm a sucker, so oh well: 4:33 deconstructs the idea of music as an intentional human performance and invites us to find it everywhere (and certainly banging on the doors of the concert hall)... Cage is basically gesturing away from himself in the process, that's what i mean when i say it's not at all pretentious... and remember, it's 4:33 not 43:30... it's not like he's demanding concert goers to pay to sit there for a long-time listening to nothing, it's really not that much of a demand to place at all... and the fact that so many people remain so baffled by it only illustrates that it WAS a point worth making... and not something that is obvious to everyone. |
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its kinda long, so heres some selections: "Although often described as a silent piece, 4'33" isn't silent at all. While the performer makes as little sound as possible, Cage breaks traditional boundaries by shifting attention from the stage to the audience and even beyond the concert hall. You soon become aware of a huge amount of sound, ranging from the mundane to the profound, from the expected to the surprising, from the intimate to the cosmic –shifting in seats, riffling programs to see what in the world is going on, breathing, the air conditioning, a creaking door, passing traffic, an airplane, ringing in your ears, a recaptured memory. This is a deeply personal music, which each witness creates to his/her own reactions to life. Concerts and records standardize our responses, but no two people will ever hear 4'33" the same way. It's the ultimate sing-along: the audience (and the world) becomes the performer." "Let's tackle a few obvious questions. Is this music? Sure it is - each sound has a distinct tone, duration, rhythm and timbre. Isn't it arbitrary? But so are all artistic conventions. Couldn't a 3-year old have written this piece? Perhaps. But did he? Did you?" "The "point" of 4'33", and the appeal of most avant-garde stuff, is that unlike most music it presents an open process rather than an attempt to realize a composer's prescribed directives to achieve a specific intended result. It's an invitation, not a command." |
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"But where can music go from here? Perhaps Cage is telling us that we've arrived at a point where everything should be possible, that it is now up to each of us to select and enjoy whatever elements of our world are the most meaningful, that concerts shouldn't erect a barrier between art and the outside world but should rekindle our partnership with nature, and that music shouldn't be an escape from reality but a tribute to the genius of mankind. Like Cage himself, 4'33" is a joyful embrace of our world and all it has to offer. 4'33" empowers us to take charge of ourselves, to trust our own instincts, to make our own judgements, to live our own lives. No other work in the history of music has expressed so much, and yet achieves its meaning with such disarmingly efficient elegance." "4'33" was inspired by Cage's visit to Harvard's anechoic chamber, designed to eliminate all sound; but instead of promised silence Cage was amazed and delighted to hear the pulsing of his blood and the whistling of his nerves." |
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I like this line the most: "But where can music go from here? Perhaps Cage is telling us that we've arrived at a point where everything should be possible, that it is now up to each of us to select and enjoy whatever elements of our world are the most meaningful" and I agree very much so. |
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silly me, all this time ive been wasting money on buying records, when i could have been amazed and delighted to hear the whistling of my own nerves! |
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I was refferring to Stouckhousen, not John Cage. I actually like his prepared piano stuff. Thanks for the guess, but my name isn't that glamorous. |
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I think this work needs to be realized in a historical context, and what it achieved. At the time, this concept was a pretty big idea. It changed how people approached sounds and music, and what was considered music. Its because of this, and other pieces of that era, that we even have all the wacky electronic stuff we all listen to on this board. Maybe the piece in itself is silly to you, or the idea may seem silly in a modern context, but it opened many doors, which led music to where it is today. imo |
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that was fantastic. |
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but shouldnt it be called 'xxx bars'? because classical music is somewhat more free to tempo so it could wind up when being performed as being 4'32" or even 4'31" |
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