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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-16 17:53 [#01567711]
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Lucid dreaming means dreaming while knowing that you are dreaming. The term was coined by Frederik van Eeden who used the word "lucid" in the sense of mental clarity. Lucidity usually begins in the midst of a dream when the dreamer realizes that the experience is not occurring in physical reality, but is a dream. Often this realization is triggered by the dreamer noticing some impossible or unlikely occurrence in the dream, such as flying or meeting the deceased. Sometimes people become lucid without noticing any particular clue in the dream; they just suddenly realize they are in a dream. A minority of lucid dreams (according to the research of LaBerge and colleagues, about 10 percent) are the result of returning to REM (dreaming) sleep directly from an awakening with unbroken reflective consciousness.
The basic definition of lucid dreaming requires nothing more than becoming aware that you are dreaming. However, the quality of lucidity can vary greatly. When lucidity is at a high level, you are aware that everything experienced in the dream is occurring in your mind, that there is no real danger, and that you are asleep in bed and will awaken shortly. With low-level lucidity you may be aware to a certain extent that you are dreaming, perhaps enough to fly or alter what you are doing, but not enough to realize that the people are dream representations, or that you can suffer no physical damage, or that you are actually in bed.
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oper4t0r
from OS 1.1 on 2005-04-16 17:55 [#01567714]
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anyone can do that
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-16 17:56 [#01567715]
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so,does anyone have this abillity?
-there was this animated movie which was made by studies from the US universities,which has one awesome scene where this guy finally starts to control his dreams! (waking life)
i never managed to control my dreams,but i do know to dream of flying a lot,where i can control the height and stuff like that.
basicly the part where i wake up is when i can't fly and i drop on the floor.
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-04-16 17:56 [#01567716]
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i thought lucid dreaming is where your body is concsiouss (sp?) but you mind is not.
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disasemble
from United States on 2005-04-16 17:56 [#01567717]
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posting about lucid dreaming on a message board with aphex twin fans is screamingly hilarious.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-16 17:56 [#01567718]
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sure...can you?
You are posting messages too frequently... Please wait a minute! Relax!
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-16 17:57 [#01567719]
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well,it happens in mental stage,not in the physical one.
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-04-16 17:58 [#01567721]
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yeah ok.
*tuts*
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-16 18:00 [#01567723]
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have you had any lucid dream?
my friend tells me that he can do that anytime he wants,which is kinda odd.
it would be nice to have a separate life while dreaming,build things you want..just make things perfect (kind of).
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disasemble
from United States on 2005-04-16 18:00 [#01567724]
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your name is i_x_ten
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Snakejuice
from Eastern (Western Sahara) on 2005-04-16 18:01 [#01567726]
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i started lucid dreaming very young because my parents were tired of me having nightmares and told me to dream up a shotgun for the monsters. I ended up dreaming up much larger guns that did the trick and the nightmares stopped. Unfortunately my memory of my good dreams stopped with it.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-16 18:01 [#01567728]
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it sometimes happen that i half awake but then decide to finish the dream..
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-16 18:04 [#01567732]
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hhaha..i guess your avatar explains everything now?
umm,there's this book stephen laberge
which tells that the best thing to remember your dreams is to write anything you know after you wake up.
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-04-16 18:04 [#01567733]
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yeah i've found the best way to become aware you're dreaming is listen to music, and have a light kip rather than a real sleep, if the music is still playing when you wake up it helps. its only happened to me like twice or something. but has still been cool
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-04-16 18:05 [#01567735]
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big whoop.
i'm sure you've earned your degree in
"stating the fucking obvious!"
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-16 18:05 [#01567736]
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i tried that a few times...just when the thing started to be really good,i would wake up by a fly or my mum.
sad part was that i never could restore them.
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disasemble
from United States on 2005-04-16 18:11 [#01567738]
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my name is disasemble
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-16 18:12 [#01567739]
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i remember this tottaly psychedelic and spooky dream i had while listening to this record alphan centauri
it's recorded in 1971 and i think it was the peak of tan dream in experimenting.
so the record was playing and i fell into that half awake state in which i've seen some rather weird images.
somehow i managed to come back to awareness,which seemed quite unreal,because i didn't know where i was for like 30 seconds,tottaly scared.
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disasemble
from United States on 2005-04-16 18:14 [#01567742]
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you guys should try listening to saw2 and lucid dream.
its total mentalist man. MENTALIST TO THE MAX
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-04-16 18:32 [#01567754]
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funny, i have tried with tangerine dream also, with the OST for Sorcerer
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FlyAgaric
from the discovery (Africa) on 2005-04-16 18:39 [#01567760]
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not lucid where i know im dreaming and am totally aware of my dream state but more lucid in being awake and doing what you want regardless of the fact that your dreaming. i usually spend this time escaping from prisons by flying out the window.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-16 18:39 [#01567761]
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i get them very rarely (maybe one every few years). don't remember what any of them are about at the moment, though. it's great when it happens.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-04-16 19:28 [#01567801]
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I've had a few dreams where I wake up and I'm still dreaming in the past year. This is where you switch over when you realise you are dreaming, but don't wake up.
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a guest
from the visual field on 2005-04-16 19:55 [#01567811]
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Awareness I can understand (especially in a hypnagogic state, like sleep paralysis), but I'm skeptical that anyone can actually control their dreams. How do you know that the feeling of control isn't just part of the dream?
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-16 20:27 [#01567820]
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well,the control is a part of the dream...that's why it is so much fun when you found yourself aware.
kinda paradoxal,but you have to be aware of yourself dreaming!
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2005-04-16 20:33 [#01567823]
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no no
fuck lucid dreaming
Fuck it ..
i've spent too many mornings, sleeping in ... practicing , doing this doing that.
it's FUCKED.
because now i get nightmares
ive never had nightmares before the whole "lucid dreaming" thing i started tryign about 3-4years ago.
now i get them, and i've had lucid nightmares,
knowing im dreaming ... but it turns bad, really bad.
knowing im dreaming and i can't wake myself up
some of my most longest "feeling" , if there is such a thing ... the dreams that felt like they were the longest, have all been nightmares ive been unable to wake up from.
scared the shit out of me one too many times.
fuk it, it's cool but be careful opening the box ... you might get something you don't want.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2005-04-16 20:35 [#01567824]
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ive fuked myself up somehow now, when i sleep on my right side (lying in bed) and fall asleep, im GARUANTEED to have bad dreams.
usually ones that i wake up from like 3am not feeling well,
if i sleep on my left side, i have pleasant dreams .
this may sound wack, but it started about 6months ago.
really weird, and maybe since i think about it too much it aactualy happens htis way
but when i sleep on my right side i get nasty dreams that usually scare the shit out of me.
whatever, go figure
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J198
from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2005-04-16 20:52 [#01567827]
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there is truth in the fact that sleeping on a certain side does make a difference. when you wake up from a dream, it is unlikely that the dream will be continued if you turn over and fall asleep again.
so i've heard at least.
i would want to lucid dream but never get around to practice it.
this is a cool movie: waking life
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-16 21:35 [#01567845]
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yep,that movie roks,although americans rated it to be tottaly bad...which is so typical while it took many prizes in cannes.
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Snakejuice
from Eastern (Western Sahara) on 2005-04-16 21:57 [#01567858]
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vitamin supplements with meals and a good minty toothbrushing helps dreams greatly.
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a guest
from the visual field on 2005-04-16 22:27 [#01567867]
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What I mean is that you may not actually be in control. It is possible that you are just dreaming regularly, but a facet of the dream is that you feel like you're controlling it - I see no way of distinguishing such a feeling of false control from a case of genuine control. Awareness is a different story, but awareness doesn't imply control.
It's like when you're dreaming and you say "It's raining"; your statement isn't true even if it is raining outside.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2005-04-16 22:58 [#01567871]
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a guest,
have you had a lucid dream before; accomplished one?
i see where you are coming from ... but with that attitude it seems as if maybe you haven't really had a crazy lucid dream yet?
just curious?
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a guest
from the visual field on 2005-04-16 23:29 [#01567876]
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If by lucid dream you mean simply knowing that I am dreaming then yes, I have been aware of being in a dream (mainly in those semi-conscious states right before or after sleep). If you mean being in conscious control of a dream then no, I've never felt in control of a dream and I've never had reason to believe that I have genuinely controlled a dream.
You do have a point; I don't mean to intrude on your experiences so just ignore me if there is something more to this that I can't appreciate. It just seems to me that dreams in general represent such a fuzzy area that I couldn't confidently believe that I was in control of them (think of the way you 'just know' things when you dream, or the way transitions work in dreams, etc.; there is a total divide between dreams and wakefulness).
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2005-04-16 23:46 [#01567878]
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No no,
I just wanted to know if we've experienced the same thing on the same level (which is obviously hard to compare in words, ) but yeah, i gotcha :)
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imdex
from Argentina on 2005-04-16 23:50 [#01567879]
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when i control the dream, i get up
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2005-04-16 23:55 [#01567881]
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>_<
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imdex
from Argentina on 2005-04-17 00:35 [#01567885]
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tha was good
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-17 11:46 [#01568279]
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i wish i had space somwehere online,so i could link this ebook i have.
is anyone interrested in reading one of the best literature about lucid dreaming...i'm willing to pass it to any of you via email?
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J198
from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2005-04-17 12:09 [#01568297]
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i am. that would be really nice!
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-17 12:18 [#01568302]
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sending now!
anyone else?
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-17 13:18 [#01568344]
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EXAMPLES: Thoughts
“I’m trying to figure out where the house and furnishings are from, and I realize this is an odd thing to be thinking about.”
“When I thought I didn’t want to crash, the car swerved back on the road.”
“When I found the door locked, I ‘wished’ it open.” Emotions ‘ “I am filled with extreme anxiety and remorse.”
“I am so unbelievably angry at my sister that I throw something a woman gave her into the sea.”
Sensations
“A strong wave of sexual arousal comes over me.”
“It feels like there’s a giant hand squeezing my head.” Perceptions
“Somehow I could see perfectly without my glasses.”
“Everything looks as though I have taken LSD.”
“I somehow can hear two men talking even though they are far away.”
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-17 13:19 [#01568345]
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ACTION
You, another dream character, or a dream thing (including inanimate objects and animals) do something unusual or impossible in waking life. The action must occur in the dream environment, that is, not be a thought or feeling in the dreamer’s mind. Malfunctioning devices are examples of object action dreamsigns
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-17 13:20 [#01568346]
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EXAMPLES: Ego action
“I’m riding home on a unicycle.”
“I was underwater, yet I was breathing.”
“Doing pull-ups got easier and easier.” Character action
“The staff throws slime worms at the audience.”
“D kisses me passionately in front of his wife.”
“The hairdresser refers to a blueprint to cut my hair.” Object action
“A large flashlight floats past.”
“The car accelerates dangerously, and the brakes don’t work.”
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-17 13:20 [#01568347]
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FORM
Your shape, the shape of a dream character, or that of a dream object is oddly formed, deformed, or transforms. Unusual clothing and hair count as anomalies of form. Also, the place you are in (the setting) in the dream may be different than it would be in waking life.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-17 13:21 [#01568348]
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EXAMPLES: Ego form
“I am a man.” (dreamed by a woman)
“I am embodied in a stack of porcelain plates.”
“I am Mozart.” Character form
“Her face changes as I look at her.”
“A giant with a Creature from the Black Lagoon type of head walks by.”
“Contrary to reality, G’s hair is cut short.” Setting form
“The edge of the beach is like a pier with benches.”
“The drafting room was the wrong shape.”
“I get lost because the streets are not as I remember them.”
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-17 13:22 [#01568350]
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Object form
“I see a tiny purple kitten.” “One of the purses transforms completely.” “My car keys read Toyama instead of Toyota.”
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-17 13:22 [#01568351]
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CONTEXT
The place or situation in the dream is strange. You niay be somewhere that you are unlikely to be in waking life, or involved in a strange social situation. Also, you or another dream character could be playing an unaccustomed role. Objects or characters may be out of place, or the dream could occur in the past or future.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-17 13:24 [#01568352]
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Ego role
“We’re fugitives from the law.”
“I’m a commando behind enemy lines in World War II.”
Character role
“My friend is assigned to be my husband.”
“My father is behaving like R, my lover.”
“My coworkers and former high school friends are together.”
“Madonna was seated on a chair in my room.”
“My brother, who is dead, was in the kitchen with me.”
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-04-17 13:25 [#01568353]
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Object place
“My bed was in the street.”
“There was a phone in my room.”
“The wall had cream cheese and vegetables in it.” Setting place
“I’m in a colony on Mars.”
“I’m in an amusement park.”
“I’m on the ocean, by myself, at night.” Setting time
“I am in grade school.”
“I’m at my twenty-fifth high school reunion.”
“I’m in an odd ceremony.”
“A commercial is being filmed at my house.”
“Two families have been brought together to get to know each other.”
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tridenti
from Milano (Italy) on 2005-04-17 13:27 [#01568354]
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Ego role
“We’re fugitives from the law.”
“I’m a commando behind enemy lines in World War II.”
Character role
“My friend is assigned to be my husband.”
“My father is behaving like R, my lover.”
“My coworkers and former high school friends are together.”
“Madonna was seated on a chair in my room.”
“My brother, who is dead, was in the kitchen with me.”
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