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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 16:20 [#01551238]
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develop a good personal style of writing music albums reviews? anyone got any good tips? :)
this is fun!!
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2005-04-02 16:21 [#01551239]
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i recommend plaigarism
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-02 16:22 [#01551240]
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that's a tricky question because one would think it depends on the person writing a review to have their own personal style.
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ecnadniarb
on 2005-04-02 16:23 [#01551242]
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Write as you listen for the first time, describe what you are feeling, then when you have finished listening listen to it a few more times. Then repeat the exercise of listening right the way through and writing just what you feel as you listen.
Then take both drafts you have written and use them to write a definitive version.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-04-02 16:25 [#01551245]
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I'd say rather go with the first impression. It isn't tainted by "getting used to the sounds."
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-04-02 16:25 [#01551246]
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extra step if you write for something like pitchfork:
do all that, then think you are a Writer and start adding elements like personal anecdotes, try to make vague connections to other albums - in short, make it unreadable.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-04-02 16:28 [#01551249]
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you forgot calling it things like "the album Vince Vaughn never released."
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axion
from planet rock (Sweden) on 2005-04-02 16:28 [#01551250]
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maybe you should practise on it for an while and write it down and then after an while you should listen to the album and se if what you wrote matched i think it will take some time but it probebly be worth it
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-02 16:29 [#01551252]
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for music journalism you also have to point out that because the new album by this artist isn't like the last, it has fallen way short of your high expectations. if it is like the last one, criticize their inability to come up with something new. and if it's pitchfork specifically, be sure to include your resume and mention that you loooove rolling stone, nme and spin.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-04-02 16:29 [#01551253]
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anyway.. maybe you already have the personal style?!
Write a review NOW and post it here for.. reviews.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-02 16:32 [#01551258]
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good idea, we will review tolstoyed's review and rate it on a scale comparing it to reviews by other reviewers and claim that his review is an homage to theirs but it's also ironic so you don't understand it.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 16:35 [#01551259]
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are you serious? i can't write in english, i can post a slovenian version if you like though :)
im not sure if i should write anything after the first listen..it happened before that i was amazed after the first listen but got bored on the second..maybe that ecnadniarb's idea isn't all that bad..hmm
but yes, i imagine it takes a lot of practise..
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 16:36 [#01551260]
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haha, that is why i have to find some real obsure albums that haven't been reviewed before :)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 16:37 [#01551261]
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obscure*
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-02 16:39 [#01551263]
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well, i'm no expert by any means... but i would listen to it, write first impressions and a draft review, then listen to it several more times to let it sink in and get used to it. and then i would rewrite the draft. similar to what ecnadniarb said.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-04-02 16:39 [#01551264]
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go ahead.. just do one in english and we'll tell you if you're good or not! hahaha!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 16:47 [#01551273]
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yeah, that is a good idea i think..i'll try it out i think..
there's an audition, and they want a sample review of a recent album or gig, and 3 playlists containing 50 songs each and an artist can only be used once. they want people who like punk rock, electronica, jazz, etno..but also with a bit more knowledge about one of the genres..i might try it out, it's what i do when i don't do anything anyway :)
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-04-02 16:56 [#01551286]
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I recon you'd have a pretty good chance at it.. with the possible exception of the guy in the record store who knows everything (I think he's just grown up behind that counter and listened to EVERYTYHING they've ever taken in and that he could get his hands on through friends and internets (I bet he's even heard all the artists on here even though he's not on here)), you know of and have listened to more music than anyone, I think...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 17:09 [#01551302]
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haha, yeah, those guys working in music stores are awesome..well, most of them..they know everything..i know this one guy who checks out (almost) every album they get it, and he even remembers what sort of music is it + he loves to give recommendations :)
you'd be surprised how much music people who work on that radio know..i usually only know the most popular artists but there are thousands of various alternative bands i've never heard of, but a friend who already works there said i'd have a pretty good chance so if it won't take too much of my time i might try to apply for audition..oh, and there are people on this mb who know way more music than i do, it's just that they never post about it because they're too busy finding out new stuff every minute :)
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-02 17:30 [#01551323]
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i know more music than most of the guys at my local record store... they didn't even know vsnares. anyway, tolstoyed, you'd be really good as an album reviewer, i think. you have good taste and that's most important. you don't need to know everything if you specialize in a genre or style. and feel free to practice with reviews of planetarium records stuff - i'll post them if they're positive. :) i'd prefer them in slovenian, though.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 17:36 [#01551332]
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haha, thanks, how will you know if they're positive if i write them in slovenian though? :)
i would only do this if it wouldn't take too much of my time, since im very busy as it is, there are only two reasons why i'd even consider doing this - to get to know more music (since they have a huge record collection) and to meet more people who have same taste in music as i do, which are really hard to find here otherwise :)
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-02 17:49 [#01551341]
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i'll trust your word on it... ;)
it's a good idea, especially if you can get paid for it.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 18:17 [#01551350]
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honestly, if they'd find me any helpful i'd do it for free, but it's a paid thing yes, not much but it is..
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-04-02 18:20 [#01551352]
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knowing more about language and linguistic skills is far more important than knowing about the topic; that is only a bonus. just knowing your subject is really not the issue.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-02 18:25 [#01551356]
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i disagree. i think most of these music journalists do know a lot about music, just not necessarily what they're reviewing.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 18:26 [#01551358]
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yes, definitely, although if music doesn't strike you in some way that can get a bit hard..
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-04-02 18:27 [#01551359]
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no, what i meant was having the 'gift of the gab' so to speak.....
just knowing your subject isn't enough
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 18:30 [#01551364]
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you get to pick what you want here..the first one that makes the call gets to do it :)
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-02 18:31 [#01551366]
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yeah, ok. as long as you can compose sentences properly (which tolstoyed often does much better than me), you're fine. i suggest just emulating what you like about reviews you've read, honestly. i like reading reviewers' harebrained ideas about what songs mean to them unless they're pricks about it and i also like it when they DON'T tell me the same bullshit about the band over and over that i already know. a lot of them just paraphrase from the band bios (which are often bullshit to begin with) and don't even need to know the band to churn out the same template review they wrote last time. annoying.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-02 18:32 [#01551367]
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ah, that's great!
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-04-02 18:33 [#01551369]
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yeah, i guess teaching is a lot like journalism. cast back to your school days.... you must have had teachers who knew their subject very well but, fuck, weren't their lessons boring as?
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-04-02 18:38 [#01551374]
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innit. typical drukqs review:
"this is the acclaimed album from aphex twins who lived in a tank (relevant?) and drives his own bank (whats that got to do with drukqs?) his mum and his dad are called lorna and derek (so?) and he is a genus. his music is mozart of techno.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-02 18:43 [#01551378]
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haha - yes. thus starts the review.
just like reading any melvins review, i skip the first paragraph automatically: "the melvins knew kurt cobain and that's why you and i know the melvins kurt cobain. they were part of the seattle thing (not true) and were friends with kurt cobain for a long time. kurt cobain loved the melvins and so did the other members of nirvana. kurt cobain helped produce one of their albums and that brings us to this 2004 release that has nothing to do with their friend kurt cobain. the melvins are so weird and unpredictable and they have said many things in interviews. kurt cobain."
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 18:47 [#01551379]
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yes, that is very true..i hate those reviews that talk about everything else but the actual music..but it must be put in a witty form and that can only be done with language skill i think..i have lots of respect for people who can do that, and the thing is there are people like that working here already so i know in advance i'd suck compared to them :)
ixten, yeah, they had to know it well and be passionate about it or else it was boring..
haha, i read a fantastic review about drukqs in some cool magazine, it was in slovenian though, and it wouldn't sound half that good in english as it sounds in slovenian :)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 18:50 [#01551382]
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hmm, those things are real stupid..i would never send something like that for an audition..it would be too embarrassing as they really put out quality stuff..it's the only/biggest alternative radio station in the country and a respected institution overhere (and a wider area)..it's that radio station where some of those punk bands you checked out recorded their songs 25 years ago :)
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-02 18:54 [#01551383]
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oh wow. in that case it must be a prestigious job indeed! that would be awesome!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 18:58 [#01551385]
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yeah, sort of :) but the thing is they're looking for people to which music means more than just listening..people passionate about music, so experience isn't required as long as you know how to write interesting..
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-04-02 19:01 [#01551386]
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in that case, it should be in the bag for you. i would hire you if i were they. good luck ;)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-02 19:09 [#01551387]
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haha, thanks :)
btw, this wasn't my idea..a friend who works there already (the same thing) told me i should apply for it because i listen to the music that fits their program. i just need to find out exactly how much of my time this would take because i've been real busy lately and it doesn't look like i'll be any less busy some time soon..but since i practically only do stuff related to music in my free time that shouldn't be too much of a problem :)
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