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offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-03-31 19:15 [#01548970]
Points: 12878 Status: Addict



just woke up at 3am after 3hrs sleep, thought i might ask
for help about a problem that's been bugging me for weeks
now -

i used the 2.2 kernel for a very long time and only recently
(when i found out it was what was giving me gip over large
capacity HDs) tried to upgrade to 2.6.

2.6 however gives a gay message at bootup, telling me to
append a correct "root=" option to my lilo.conf file - even
though i have one (it works for 2.2 and 2.4)

2.4 boots. However, using it, when I'm listening to mp3s
(streamed over samba) they pause sometimes for upwards of 20
seconds. This happens quite a bit..

I thought it might be a problem with samba's buffer - so i
added the lines

SO_RCVBUF=8192
SO_SNDBUF=10240

to my smb.conf file. Did it help? Did it f[BLEEP]

so yeah, any linux gurus on the board who could help me?
I've asked in other, more appropriate settings but to no
avail.


 

offline xf from Australia on 2005-03-31 20:51 [#01549008]
Points: 2952 Status: Lurker



dude, how old is this linux distro you're using?

2.6 requires a whole swag of new userland tools (modutils,
etc, for example). sounds like it'd be easier to blow
away and install something new, or if you're smart enough to
use something like debian, do a dist-upgrade.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-03-31 20:56 [#01549009]
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yeah i'm using debian, however, unfortunately it'd have
taken months longer to get my linux server connected to the
college network than my winxp laptop, so i just got the
laptop connected directly...

which is, in terms of usefullness.. useless.

i can't apt-get anything, can't wget anything, have to do
everything through windows, it's a great pain.

i'm thinking of wiping debian and installing openbsd.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-03-31 20:59 [#01549010]
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i just had a very interesting idea.......

i'm using your-freedom LAZY_LINK to use bittorrent and
stuff - it runs a java proxy on your local machine which
tunnels to the your-freedom servers. it can also handle
requests from other computers on your LAN.....

so i could set up the linux box to go through that as a
proxy. i hadn't thought of that... i'll get a max speed of
50kbps (compared to 1-2MBps i get on the college line)
downloading, but still, it's connectivity...


 

offline xf from Australia on 2005-03-31 21:25 [#01549014]
Points: 2952 Status: Lurker | Followup to redrum: #01549009



oh, right. is it woody, or potato?


 

offline xf from Australia on 2005-03-31 21:26 [#01549015]
Points: 2952 Status: Lurker | Followup to redrum: #01549010



put another network card into your windows machine, and run
internet-connection-sharing. use a cross over cable from
the linux box to the windows box. run dhclient or pump on
the linux box and it'll all magically work.


 

offline xf from Australia on 2005-03-31 21:28 [#01549017]
Points: 2952 Status: Lurker | Followup to redrum: #01549009



and haha wtf, openbsd?

yeah, debian stable is backwards, but you're going back to
last fucking century with openbsd. it has it's merits; it's
firewalling stuff rocks, but jesus christ what a backwards
operating system (i guess it's what you get when you audit
_everything_).

try ubuntu. go and download the 'hoary pre-release' and do
a server install. it's basically debian stable, but with
regular 6 month release cycles, decent fucking packages, and
great support. ubuntu primarily is a desktop-orientated
distro but it works just as well on servers.


 

offline xf from Australia on 2005-03-31 21:30 [#01549018]
Points: 2952 Status: Lurker



(i should try putting all my responses in one reply)

if you're running woody/current stable, there are ways to
get samba+2.6 running nicely on it but you need to rely
heavily on "backports". depends what is easier for you -
reinstalling (easier), or spending a day or so getting your
current distro up to speed.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-03-31 21:34 [#01549019]
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i think it's woody. whichever the older one is.

i have a wireless connection over which iwas gonna provide
net support. i think i tried the windows connection sharing
before but to no avail; i'll try again. your-freedom says
i'm not allowed relay connections, even though it's
enabled.. i think i've got to donate or something before
they'll let me. i sent em an email anyhow.

and openbsd - how is it backward? perhaps it might be if
you're into staring at pretty pictures on Gnome 2.8 or
whatever release they're on now - but that's not for me.
once the box serves up my files, i'm happy. and obsd is the
securest OS to do that. it's a server OS, not a workstation
OS.. the way linux was meant to be..

i really detest these desktop-orientated linux distros.
sure, it's good to get people into free software and all
that, but I think linux is a bad place to start:

when people take an OS like linux and try to make it
"user-friendly", they hide the beauty of it. its beauty is
in its text config files and lack of gui tools. wanna config
something, you should know what file to open and what to
type. things like bind are a bitch to config in such a way,
but that's what webmin and those other http interfaces are
for....

i just don't like em. they're.. ugly.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-03-31 21:35 [#01549020]
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and i'm referring to desktop-based linux distros with my
last comment, not webmin.


 

offline xf from Australia on 2005-03-31 21:38 [#01549021]
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woody was released about 2 1/2 years ago, potato was around
before that.

ok - look into backports.org - get "samba" and the "2.6"
stuff. you familiar with adding repo's to sources.list?

ok - openbsd is backwards because the team basically audit
_all_ the code, so you're left with tools and daemons which
basically have the features and functionality that most
linux distros had maybe 5, or 6 years ago. i absolutely
loathe using it for a server outside of a machine _only_
doing firewalling. samba on it is shit, imho, not to
mention really, really fucking slow. if you want to go bsd
- go freebsd.

and yeah, i agree re: pretty gui configuration crap. that
said, i am the author of a webmin-like tool which i'm hoping
to release anyday soon, now... :)



 

offline xf from Australia on 2005-03-31 21:39 [#01549024]
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btw, ubuntu doesn't have pretty stupid gui configuration
shit for configuring crap.

it's basically debian, but without the stupid politics and
regular releases. if you're familiar with debian, it's like
a dream come true. if you install it using the 'server'
install (it's an option when you install), it'll basically
throw on a basic system minus x-window, gnome, et al.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-03-31 21:44 [#01549025]
Points: 12878 Status: Addict | Followup to xf: #01549024



interesting.

but on the obsd point - i was at a talk given in my college
by the head of the obsd project (yer man who was kicked off
fbsd) and they were describing their auditing and how they
make the code much more secure. it's incredibly complex and
streamlining stuff. and they said that the stuff they do
this to has no functionality removed as a result.. meh.
i'll check out ubuntu anyhow..


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-03-31 21:46 [#01549027]
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and on the original point -

it seems that when i enable internet connection sharing on
one device, the other device drops dead (we're talking LAN /
Wireless here), so that option's out the window. ah well.


 

offline xf from Australia on 2005-03-31 21:47 [#01549028]
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haha, theo de raadt?

oh man you've been tainted.

yes, it has no functionality removed, but that's because
they're still auditing the code that was released years ago.
it's a long, painful process, you see.

given good sysadmin skills it's not exactly leagues more
secure, anyway.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-03-31 21:48 [#01549030]
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they're ripping off the fucking gnu manifesto and calling it
their own on their fucking homepage

i don't like this one bit


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-03-31 21:49 [#01549031]
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(ubuntu)

and yea it was theo de raadt. i was impressed :)


 

offline xf from Australia on 2005-03-31 21:55 [#01549032]
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they are? url?

theo's ego is more famous than theo.


 

offline xf from Australia on 2005-03-31 21:57 [#01549034]
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oh, sorry, right, on the front page. shrug. not like it's
a fact they're keeping secret or anything, and there
probably are distinct differences.


 

offline x0hx from Lysdexia (United States) on 2005-03-31 22:33 [#01549041]
Points: 1318 Status: Regular



I'd wait for next week to roll around to get Ubuntu
The final ver. is out then
You can order free CD's on their site too
No S/H even
I'd recommend Knoppix or Kubuntu as well
Kubuntu is the KDE version of Ubuntu


 

offline xf from Australia on 2005-03-31 22:37 [#01549043]
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Kubuntu for a server, over Ubuntu? Wha...? :)

And it doesn't matter a whole lot, really; things a frozen
now, so you'll get more or less the same shit via the
pre-release CD (and the upgrades are only an apt-get away).


 

offline x0hx from Lysdexia (United States) on 2005-03-31 22:49 [#01549047]
Points: 1318 Status: Regular



No...
Ubuntu = Gnome
Kubuntu = KDE
So many flavors
So little time
If you wanna run a pure or dedicated server there's much
more customized distro's for that I'm sure
But Linux is the fastest for that, IMHO


 


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