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There's an old Zippy the Pinhead cartoon where he's walking around with that on a protest sign. It recently occurred to me that it's actually true. Modern Easter Island has few trees. The island once possessed a forest of palms, but it is thought that the native Easter Islanders completely deforested the island in the process of erecting their statues, as well as constructing fishing boats and buildings. There is evidence that the disappearance of the island's trees coincided with the collapse of the Easter Island civilization. Midden contents from that time period show a sudden drop in quantity of fish and bird bones as the islanders lost the means to construct fishing vessels and the birds lost their nesting sites. Chickens and rats became leading items of diet. There is also some evidence of cannibalism, from human remains. It looks like we're going the same way with instead of trees. |
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I guess it's inevitable that the world is going to be a lot different by the time I'm 60 or 70. |
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's the guy's website who wrote the article by the way. Some good commentary. I think he may underestimate technological advancements at time and be a little biased against modern/post-modern architecture, but a lot I agree with. |
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Kunstler is all scary rhetoric and I'd be more than happy to pass him off as an alarmist - unfortunately the facts seem to be on his side. Check my other links, and also search google news for peak oil. |
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The consequences of this are hard to overstate. Oil fuels 95 percent of all transportation and a significant portion of global food production. Industrial societies are dependent on a vast, steady flow of inexpensive petroleum for just about everything we make and do. Disrupt this flow, and modern society as we know it is inconceivable. |
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the destruction of the easter island civilization was inevitable considering the inhabitants spent all available resources on making chocolate bunnies and painting those dumb easter eggs |
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aahhaah! Yeah but mappa had a good point. Think about how things are going to be changed by the time we are 60 or 70 |
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60 or 70? My friend, in 5 years you will weep with happiness if you are able to drink your own pee. |
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Hmm. I dont think i want to drink my own pee. 5 years seems kind of soon ey? Sorry i had to add the "ey" because movies like "fargo" make me think that based on my location that i should post things like "ya der ey". |
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in the future the earth will be overrun be urine-drinking monsters |
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Aw jeez, what the heck ya talkin' about? I'm cooperating to the full extent of the law! |
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YES Finally someone understands. |
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they will latch onto us using their horrendous snorkels |
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my own URINE |
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I wonder what humour will be like in 50 years. It certainly isn't the same as it was 50 years ago. And music. 50 years ago they couldn't imagine the music we have now. 50 years before that they couldn't imagine the music we had 50 years ago. 50 years you know what I'm saying. Well I'll still be at xltronic, that's for sure. |
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isn't the idea that future wars won't be about oil but about drinking water? |
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what? |
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peak oil is no joke. it is happening right now. whether we are doomed or not... probably! |
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Did you know they are bottle-brush drilling the Ghawar oil field in Saudi Arabia? That's where they drill a long slanting/horizontal bore and drill bores radiating off from it, then pump in water that forces up the oil. It's a last act of desperate stupidity because it destroys the oilfield and renders some of the oil unrecoverable. If Ghawar is peaking now or is about to peak, we're all so fucked it's not funny at all. Human civilization has no plan B. We don't have a plan C, D, E or F either. Goodbye to transportation, agriculture, food production, medicine, affordable high-tech gadgets, telecommunications, the future. "I'm sorry, the interent" - nigel |
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My science teacher in highschool told me with current methods they extract 25% of the oil in the field, and that it is just too expensive to extract the rest. So the price will just rise until the cost is worth the payout. He said this is what happened with the oil crunch in the 70's or whenever, they just had to switch over to a more expensive method of extraction. I don't know if that's true at all or anything. |
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See, you're thinking of "expense" in terms of money. You need to think in terms of energy - joules, watts, kilocalories, whatever. When it costs more than the energy in one existing barrel of oil to pump one new barrel of oil... I had the same argument with a co-worker who couldn't be made to see that oil at $500 a barrel has no more energy (i.e., intrinsic value) than oil at $20.00 a barrel. |
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Ah yeah, that's true. I was aware of this in the case of Canada where there are vast reserves but the-- I forget the exact term, you know, you would expend more energy extracting the oil than you would get from the oil itself. |
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Tar sands - that and the oil shales in the US could potentially render a net energy gain. Nothing as cheap and easy as sweet light crude in the 20th century but it beats drinking your own URINE. |
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Yeah that will be really crummy when I have to drink my own URINE. :'( |
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what if you're already drinking your own URINE? |
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But see, here we are hoping and wishing. Civilization is in the position of a guy jumping out of an exploding plane and hoping he'll be able to buy a hanglider on the way down. |
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oh yeah, the desperation goes way beyond that even. "Iraqi Freedom" "ANWR" etc.. luckily, for me, kunstler seems to think that the pacific northwest is one of the 'safe' places to live, should the shit hit the fan. I guess that's because we are on hydro electric power and the easing up of the traffic would be damn good for us. However, all the hippies are not going to like the ramping up of the nuclear power industry! |
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Hypothetically of course. |
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similar to the thought that hydrogen fuel cells or solar power could save us. the energy cost of creating fuel cells or solar panels is only really feasible because of cheap oil! |
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Yes, yes! Hypothetically! Ofcourse! |
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It does seem like a relatively safe corner of the world here. Are you going to be at Prefuse or Autechre in Seattle come May, evolumen?? |
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I think we will have to start by studying the effects of american BEERS on the PALATE. |
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that's almost pornographic. |
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DEEP INSIDE BUBBA JOE JOHNSON |
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you killed the thread with your pink porn-hole. |
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Yeah that was grodie. |
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Oh sure but elusive is everyone's hero for his poopie porn. |
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well, to be fair - however retarded that thread may have been, the inclusion of "[poop]" (however that whole [ ] thing is) in the thread-title did kind of hint at what was to come. |
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"(however that whole [ ] thing is)" should read: "(however retarded that whole [ ] thing is)" |
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Now you're making excuses for him? Why don't you go live with him and kiss him? |
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Oh, no, I didn't understand the poopie porn either. In fact I was thinking about it and I think elusive is a sociopath. |
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yeah apparantly i have a wisconsin accent, i'm going to kill myself |
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ya map, i'll def be at AE and most likely at Prefuse as well. but i haven't bought tickets yet... you gonna be there? maybe i'll see you's! |
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Yes I shall |
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ew.. yeah if you go kiss him i you should post the pics in the poop thread! |
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you could swap porn-holes with him in some kind of sick and twisted love-tryst, eventually exploring eachother's bodies using excrement. |
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Sociopath? Aren't they supposed to be charming? |
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We'll do that in your MOUTH. Because you're a GIRL. |
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that's just a veiled way to ask me to show you my cock. no, Kevin. no. |
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