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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-03-23 12:15 [#01541833]
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who covers expenses for making videos? i always thought labels give artists they want to promote certain amount of money for that purpose...am i wrong?
do the artists have to return that money once video is made??
or is it entirely up to an artist to decide and pay for videos??
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Chihiro
from twins land on 2005-03-23 12:25 [#01541844]
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Labels and video producers... no? I don't have a clue to be honnest. °~º
It's a very good question... :D
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hobbes
from age on 2005-03-23 12:30 [#01541851]
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Some artists have to put the money in themselves, though it's getting rare.
Depends, but yeah usually the label will take care of putting money up front. Problem these days is that the big companies have become market analysts and usualy tend to create a product as opposed to trusting one.
In some cases the artist won't have much say on anything regarding promotion and stuff. They put the money up for you, you shut up. (they wish)
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-23 12:31 [#01541853]
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apparently, the traditional major label's scam is to charge the band for everything at the end, including the music video budget. but obviously, if the band actually has any backbone or common sense, they will not agree to ridiculous terms before signing a contract.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-03-23 12:31 [#01541854]
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as far as I know artists still pay for promotion themselves, just like they pay for recording etc. themselves too.
it's true the recordcompany will forward the money, but then it will have to be paid back.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-23 12:34 [#01541858]
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yeah, that is a better way of explaining it than the way i put it.
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hobbes
from age on 2005-03-23 12:37 [#01541863]
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Ah, it depends what you are talking about...and who... anyway, i won't go into it because i don't want to.
But i was not making a bullshit post, just not very in depth maybe.
"the recordcompany will forward the money, but then it will have to be paid back."
Well not in all cases, at all. But yeah, record companies aren't so courageous anymore, they wanna control it all. I know a few stories of labels losing lots, and no paying back sated in the contract. It can be a gamble.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-03-23 12:38 [#01541864]
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it's partly what the infamous steve albini essay on the problem with music is about.
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hobbes
from age on 2005-03-23 12:39 [#01541866]
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If we were in a cafe in some beautiful dutch village this conversation would be easier for me.
I hate typing sometimes, and knowing posts can be read again and again at all times.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-03-23 12:40 [#01541868]
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we're basically talking about majors here, though.
although smaller labels will simply not have the money to pay for a video, so you'll still be paying for it yourself - but at least then it's all above board.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-23 12:43 [#01541872]
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i don't feel sorry for major labels. they can afford to take risks on artistic music, but they do not. not in the past ten years, that i'm aware of.
labels have control over the mainstream markets and can sell anything they like, but they are content with factory bullshit. it isn't like the majority of people who buy the avril lavigne cd's know any better - they are just told that it is popular and go along with it. same thing with commercial hip hop, commercial metal, etc. you can stick anything short of merzbow onto mainstream radio and have it go platinum, but the labels choose the acts that they can control and that they feel safe molding an image around.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-23 12:44 [#01541875]
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yes, i've read that one several times - it's great. :)
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hobbes
from age on 2005-03-23 12:44 [#01541877]
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Sure, i'm not saying that ain't true at all. I read that before as well.
Ah fuck i'm leaving this thread before i get stroppy. Sign whatever you want future musicians! You have no options, you are doomed. you are dumb.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2005-03-23 12:45 [#01541879]
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there are only 4 companies now. bar small indie babels, these 4 won ALL record labels.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-23 12:46 [#01541881]
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some indie labels actually do have the money to pay for music videos (which, as the early 90's videos show us, are often much better when cheap and lo-fi) but they can not afford to put it on mtv and get behind it with a single release and promotion the way a major can.
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hobbes
from age on 2005-03-23 12:49 [#01541884]
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Yeah, the dawn of the conglomerates.
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hobbes
from age on 2005-03-23 12:51 [#01541887]
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-03-23 14:49 [#01541953]
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i can't get that..can't face it really..so far i was pretty sure none of the artists that are more into music aspect of the music bussiness would pay for their own promotion (especially not videos)..i just can't imagine any idm (just for example) folks to be doing that, as far as i know some of them even dislike it..maybe i could comprehend that some ppl on smaller labels would do vids by them selves but not people on big labels since the label is usually the one to make profit out of it..hmm, i guess i should make sure before saying something like that but i was 100% certain this was the case..oh well :)
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hobbes
from age on 2005-03-23 14:51 [#01541954]
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Fancy coming over for a drink tonight?
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2005-03-23 14:52 [#01541955]
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he's right, you know :)
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-23 14:54 [#01541958]
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there are "music videos" and there are "promotional clips" - two ways of looking at the same thing. i think that music videos are an overlooked artform... it is a medium with unlimited potential to present incredible dual-media art, but it is almost always treated like an advertisement. it's a shame, really.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-03-23 15:05 [#01541970]
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qrter is right? :)
r40f, yeah, i totally agree on that..still, i was pretty sure labels pay for that..be it videos or promotional clips :)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-03-23 15:07 [#01541974]
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im always up for that :)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-03-23 17:34 [#01542191]
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qrter!! how sure are you of this?
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