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         |  Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2005-03-22 13:18 [#01540884] Points: 774 Status: Lurker
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 | Hey, you dig Gang Gang Dance - what do you think about these guys? I just picked up their new one "Burned Mind" and
 I'm "listening" (i.e. being subjected) to it now.  I fucking
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         |  Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2005-03-22 13:36 [#01540904] Points: 774 Status: Lurker
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 | On the subject of Gang Gang Dance, I just saw that they have a new album being released on April 25th entitled "God's
 Money". When I was at the Animal Collective show in Brooklyn
 last month an album or something was played over the sound
 system. I hope to God it was the new GGD because it was
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-03-22 13:38 [#01540909] Points: 14210 Status: Regular
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 | wolf eyes is really cool...  that's really good album and i also recommend it.  it's a really distinctive sounding noise
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         |  Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2005-03-22 13:43 [#01540919] Points: 774 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01540909
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 | I was initially attracted to it because they sounded slightly more beat/rythmically oriented than most noise
 acts. Case in point is the track "Ancient Delay". Being a
 huge fan of really early eara SWANS, this got my attention.
 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-03-22 13:44 [#01540923] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to Empiricus: #01540919
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 | yeah, that's what i like about it as well - the noisy rhythms.  it didn't make me think of the swans, though (i
 love their early stuff as well).  i should listen to it
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         |  Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2005-03-22 13:50 [#01540929] Points: 774 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01540923
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 | Like any Godflesh as well? Obvious SWANS influence. I have been listening to Pure since I was 15, but I have yet to
 pick up Street Cleaner.
 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-03-22 13:54 [#01540938] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to Empiricus: #01540929
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 | nah...  i admit i've heard very little godflesh and everyone tells me it's great, but i just don't like what i've heard
 at all.  not my thing.
 
 i could see the influence, but the swans created their own
 world...  nobody does it like they did.  :)  they've become
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         |  Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2005-03-22 14:01 [#01540951] Points: 774 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01540938
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 | I agree with that. I have only been into SWANS for slightly over a year, but all the early stuff is in my top
 all-time albums list (especially Public Castration is a Good
 Idea).
 
 Boom..............Ba  Da............BOOM...............BA
 DA
 Money........................is
 flesh......................
 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-03-22 14:03 [#01540957] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to Empiricus: #01540951
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 | i've heard of that but i don't have it yet.  is that a live record?
 
 i've got the FILTH / BODY TO BODY, JOB TO JOB cd...  cop is
 next on my list :)  FILTH is a masterpiece for sure.
 brilliant in concept and perfectly executed music - a fully
 realised extreme music.  they really never got their due for
 that early stuff.
 
 
 
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         |  Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2005-03-22 14:31 [#01541003] Points: 774 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01540957
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 | I can't believe you haven't heard that record!!! Public Castration was my first experience with SWANS and it totally
 floored me. This is SWANS at their slowest and most
 threatening. Intense. Scary intense. Get that record
 post-haste and tell me what you think!
 
 Filth is very cool, almost danceable. However, Cop is
 probably my favorite studio recording. Filth is my second
 favorite tied with Greed/Holy Money.
 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-03-22 14:37 [#01541009] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to Empiricus: #01541003
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 | great!  i will get it asap.  :D 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2005-03-22 14:58 [#01541037] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | uh, awesome, i don't know wolf eyes yet, i'll check them out asap though, thanks!
 
 and looking forward to that new ggd album!!
 
 
 
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         |  DeadEight
             from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-03-22 15:14 [#01541058] Points: 5437 Status: Regular
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 | i dig Wolf Eyes quite a bit, but i'm not such a fan of Burned Mind... Stabbed in the Face is pretty awesome but the
 rest of the album was... i dunno, maybe a bit to rocky? if
 you like the beat-driven noise-thing, then maybe try to find
 Slicer or Lost Sockets... both older Wolf Eyes releases that
 have that sort of thing going on... but really there's
 plenty of awesome Wolf Eyes, Dread and Dead Hills are two
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         |  plantre
             from United States on 2005-03-22 16:39 [#01541148] Points: 469 Status: Regular
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 | wolf eyes > merzbow 
 
 
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         |  DeadEight
             from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-03-22 16:45 [#01541152] Points: 5437 Status: Regular | Followup to plantre: #01541148
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 | agreed 
 
 
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         |  DeadEight
             from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-03-22 16:46 [#01541155] Points: 5437 Status: Regular
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 | but then again, i can think of a lot of noise acts that i prefer over both Wolf Eyes and Merzbow...
 
 
 
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         |  Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2005-03-22 21:48 [#01541321] Points: 774 Status: Lurker | Followup to plantre: #01541148
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 | I have 4 Merzbow albums and I really dig two of them. 1930 and Merzbird are really good if taken as auditory sculpture.
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         |  Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2005-03-22 21:51 [#01541322] Points: 774 Status: Lurker | Followup to tolstoyed: #01541037
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 | A lot more "noise" oriented than GGD, but I know you like this type of stuff a little as well. You a SWANS fan
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         |  Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2005-03-22 21:52 [#01541324] Points: 774 Status: Lurker | Followup to DeadEight: #01541058
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 | How about you DeadEight, have you heard the good news? SWANS have risen. Seriously, are you a SWANS fan?
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2005-03-23 07:43 [#01541583] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator | Followup to DeadEight: #01541058
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 | thanks, i'll be getting those! and thanks for that other thing - that things is totally amazing..im really thrilled
 with that :)
 
 empiricus, i already checked out wolf eyes collaboration
 with smegma and it sounded awesome - not really noise but
 real nice stuff (i've only listened to it once so i can't
 comment on it quite yet, but it sounded real nice on first
 listen).
 
 as for swans, im no expert but i like some of their album a
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         |  Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2005-03-23 14:43 [#01541948] Points: 774 Status: Lurker | Followup to tolstoyed: #01541583
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 | Awesome 
 
 
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         |  DeadEight
             from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-03-23 17:05 [#01542128] Points: 5437 Status: Regular | Followup to Empiricus: #01541324
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 | i've always wanted to get into the Swans, but i'm a bit intimidated by their catalogue... i've heard some of the
 post-Swans stuff like Angels of the Light and Jarboe, but
 that's about it...
 
 what do you think is the best place to start?
 
 
 
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         |  Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2005-03-23 21:56 [#01542430] Points: 774 Status: Lurker | Followup to DeadEight: #01542128
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 | Easy. Get "Public Castration is a Good Idea" (live - my personal introduction to the masters) or the reissue on
 Young God records, the CD which includes 3 albums
 "Cop/Fool/Holy Money. If you dig those two pick up
 Filth/Body to Body, Job to Job and/or Children of God (more
 melodic and starting in the more goth/acoustic direction
 that I'm not so enthralled with personally) You will either
 hate them or be totally changed.
 
 
 
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         |  Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2005-03-23 22:11 [#01542435] Points: 774 Status: Lurker | Followup to DeadEight: #01542128
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 | Now, mind you I like the heavy as a motherfucker, I'm going to blow my brains out on network television in
 prime-time type SWANS shit. If you're not suicidal, this
 stuff, in proper doses, will make you question your
 continued existence. That being said, anyone not already
 seriously predisposed to voluntary self-extermination should
 experience it at least once.
 
 
 
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         |  Amnesiac
             from ERIE (United States) on 2005-03-23 23:27 [#01542450] Points: 2084 Status: Lurker
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 | i like the album he did with black dice 
 
 
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         |  Amnesiac
             from ERIE (United States) on 2005-03-23 23:28 [#01542451] Points: 2084 Status: Lurker
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 | or they, is it a group or a guy? 
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         |  DeadEight
             from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-03-23 23:29 [#01542452] Points: 5437 Status: Regular | Followup to Amnesiac: #01542451
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 | it's a "they": Aaron Dilloway, John Olson, and Nate Young 
 
 
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         |  mashnote
             from mol (Belgium) on 2005-03-24 08:16 [#01542670] Points: 1098 Status: Lurker | Followup to tolstoyed: #01541583
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 | i saw Smegma last week. It was an incredible show: weird, funny and hypnotic at the same time.
 
 wolf eyes are great, especially dead hills, etc..
 live they're awesome too, they're touring europe again in
 june i think. check them out.
 and gang gang dance are touring too, with Excepter (!!).
 
 so many good shows in the near future..
 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-03-24 08:24 [#01542677] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to DeadEight: #01542128
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 | the later-period swans is as intense as the early stuff, but in an opposite way.  i love their later works at least as
 much as the early stuff.  but at first listen, it really
 sounds like two different bands.  it's the two opposite
 sides of the same coin.
 
 so check out what empiricus says, but also listen to The
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-03-24 08:25 [#01542678] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to r40f: #01542677
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 | Children of God is the turning point of the two periods and it is a great album, but it is one of the most difficult to
 get into, imo.  it's really a challenging listen, whereas
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2005-03-24 10:00 [#01542783] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator | Followup to mashnote: #01542670
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 | ohh awesome!! any dates and venues yet?? 
 
 
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         |  mashnote
             from mol (Belgium) on 2005-03-24 10:31 [#01542811] Points: 1098 Status: Lurker | Followup to tolstoyed: #01542783
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 | i don't know about exact dates/venues except for the belgian one. sorry.
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2005-03-24 11:21 [#01542854] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator | Followup to mashnote: #01542811
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 | np, thanks for saying, i'll keep my eyes open..i was trying to find something on google, but i can't even find their
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         |  mashnote
             from mol (Belgium) on 2005-03-24 14:56 [#01543030] Points: 1098 Status: Lurker | Followup to tolstoyed: #01542854
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 | http://www.wolfeyes.net/ 
 
 
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