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i've heard a little about this, and i'm curious about it i know that a few of you use this, and was wondering if there's a version for Mac OS X, and if so how hard (or easy) is it to use? i do prefer using hardware, i always will, but i like the idea of something like max/msp from what i know, it's like a whole audio tool allowing you to do pretty much anything you want, with any kind of audio (sampled, synthesizers). does it have it's own sequencer (or tracker)? or is it like a virtual instrument that you can run under a host? is it both??! my main experience with music stuff is hardware synths, Reason, and Cubase. hopefully soon i'll be adding MOTU Digital Performer to that list too, and maybe if it will be worth my while, max/msp |
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It is neither and both. It is nothing and potentially everything. It is an entire platform. It's too hard to explain really...just that it takes patience to learn and it is awesome. |
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i'm not sure if you paid for it or not, but do you happen to know how much it costs? i would look myself, but i'm on a dialup and the site is likely to have flash all over the place!!!!! damn dialup :( |
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There is no flash at all and you can get a free 30 day trial of the Os X version from . |
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ooooh nifty, thanks for the information :D |
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i thinks its about £400 i got it on a 9 month academic lisence for £30 :) also there is a fully functional 30 days demo (which really is fully functional for 30 days, you can save and everything) which you might want to try i havent used it much but it does take a fair bit of work to make something useful (for a newbie like me at least) BTW i wouldnt buy digital performer if you can possibly afford logic 7 because whilst DP isnt bad, its also far from perfect. |
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Autechre use MOTU DP. |
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what stops anyone from just uninstalling then reinstalling the 30day trial, again? delete the reg keys?? |
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i don't wanna get Logic 7 - seems like it's VERY bloated, and i don't like the idea of having to use a USB dongle. MOTU DP seems to be a much more concise package, and i'd like the challenge of messing with something new to me (i got version 4 downloaded, but without the manual i couldn't do jackshit - and the only manual is a hardcopy! no electronic form!) and i only have a 1.5GHz G4 - i feel that DP would run better on my PowerBook than Logic would. |
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no such thing as a registry in Mac OS X and there are quite a few ways developers use to log if you're using shareware software outside of the alloted timeframe - some use .plist files in your ~/library/preferences folder, some hide files in your home directory. some hide files in /var/tmp/vm folder. although a UNIX based operating system can be great, it also makes it tough to crack some applications.......hence there isn't a working crack for Logic on Mac OS X, and numerous other apps but then again sometimes it's a piece of piss to crack or copy Mac applications. anyways, i'm going off on a tangent here! |
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I own Max/MSP/Jitter and paid $450 USD 3 years ago. I still dont feel like an expert, but i pick it up for new projects once every several months or so. Time willing I suppose. Max does have some sequencing functionality with the 'seq' object. Also, Monolake have kindly shared a full blown sequencer on the cycling74 site. I suggest you wrap your head around the demo and then decide if its right for you. There are many stand alones, patchers, abstractions, and collectives out there to horde. As for wiping and reinstalling, you would have to wipe your entire OS for that to work. Trust me, their encryption is mostly rock solid. Esp. for Jitter ala Joshua Kit Clayton's baby. I truly support these guys above all other proprietary software pushers, but that is whatever. Max/MSP/Jitter is whatever you want it to be. You could also try PureData, but the documentation is a bit thin as it is in its early and opensource stages. Feel free if you need to email me about any other questions. Let me just say that this software is behind many of the elusive artists out there who generate original ideas. To each his own, I suppose, but its a real gem to see an artist start at a blank canvas and not discriminate from software, to music, to representation, etc... With Max/MSP its all the same thing. Yet, its one element in the great scheme of things. Take autechre for example... gl0tch (at) gl0tch (dot) com |
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maybe im feeling lazy, but if it aint fun and a huge headache I'm not going to use it. Give me a big red knob. |
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powerbook 1.5? same setup as me. i have dp4 and it runs fine as long as you are reasonable with it,. It's absolutely brilliant for audio used with Peak, midi is ok, i'm still not very fast at with it, compared with cubase. As for max it's essential IMO, it's an effort learning at the start but the tutorials are great and with a little determination it'll not be long before you'll end up with your own sprawling patches. you can make sequencers than can do stuff which would take forever to do in a regular sequencer. i just have the demo and reinstall my book every 30 days. it's a bit of a pain but it takes 30minutes and is better than spending £400=] |
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i think i'm gonna get hold of the demo as soon as i can and have a mess about my biggest problem is that i really am a hardware guy at heart - i would rather spend my money on some vintage hardware, than have some software - i find hardware a hell of a lot more inspiring. i can see from the sreenshots that mx/msp is a very powerful tool, and would have many great sound design applications possible. but at the end of the day, i just love being able to plug something in, turn it on, and get going right away. i'll definitely have a look though. at the moment i still have my heart set on a Minimoog Voyager Anniversary edition! |
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I can tell you know you won't like it. |
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i'm a hypocrite though - i really like the idea that there's a tool out there that can literally do anything you want it to. even though it's software, can you really make a patch that will sound like a piece of classic hardware? say, could you program a msp patch that has the glides of a TB-303/MC-202 ? |
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If you brain was up to it then sure. |
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that's great! then that is a big plus :D |
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If your looking at emulating classic gear, or creating something that resembles gear, I would suggest reaktor. Less time to learn, more dance music oriented. If your looking to design generative music pieces for galeries and instalations that work in conjunction with video pieces, or anything of that like, then Max/MSP is for you. |
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cool thanks for the tip with Reaktor :D i shall try to acquire demos of both, and see how they go |
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I like Max for its logic and Reaktor for its sound. The best is to have them both running at the same time with Max transmitting midi control messages to Reaktor through midi yoke. You could also have them running on separate PCs and connect with a midi cable I suppose. Madness! |
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i suppose the thing that pissed me off about dp4 is the freeze function it supposedly has for AU instruments which is incredibly shit. also it required me to downgrade my OS back to 10.3 with the OS X install cds to be able to get past the copy protection when installing and then reinstall the 10.3.5 update (or whatever it is know) |
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You know, that last suggestion is why I bothered keeping my old computer around (not for reaktor-max combo, but for a master-slave computer setup). Did I end up doing it? No. its just sitting here beside my main computer, with its cover half open, and its master hard drive half attached.... |
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there is an easier way to reset 30day time trail, finad a max/msp on lime wire, emule or other p2p, you will find a demo version with a program 1clickResetFinal - gues what it does?:) max/msp is very complex and hard, but when you know it well you can do everything. |
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aye..i have that resetter but it is for an eariler version of max, not 4.5 whicht doesn't run half as well IMO+is missing a few objects that i use frequently. it's certainly an option for any beginners tho. |
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You are one lazy motherfucker. Why don't you set it up to crunch data packets from SETI or the human genome project or something? Help make a child's day brighter, build a better tomorrow for the future, yada yada yada. |
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1clickReser still doesnt solve the problem with Jitter does it? I've found the incorporation of matrices in my setup to be invaluable. Its definitely worth considering to use this if you are going to get into max/msp |
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what's the functionality of a jitter matrix? i did play with jitter for half an hour once but TBH i had plenty to get on with with max msp alone at the time. |
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Indeed. I am a mysterious and powerfull man, and my power is only exceed by my mystery, which is only exceeded by my laziness. I get bored of things so easily.... :( |
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Hey just thought I would point out that I have made an application using Max/MSP's Jitter plug-ins for use as live visual projection. Take a look if you like: Very interesting non-musical things can happen with this software. Anyone else here messing with the visual capabilities of this? Incidentally, Cycling '74 is a VERY small company, but their support is outstanding, and their software is totally worth the money several times over... |
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lupus: jitter matrices are essentially 2d grids of color data. it's an essential part of getting anything visual to happen with Jitter. Don't know what else to say really except check the tutorials that come with the demo... |
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a matrix can can handle more than just visual data. So, imagine a series of rows and columns each retaining a sound sample or control variable, that can be randomly indexed and randomly recalled. |
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Yah, it can be used to handle any kind of data you want in a 2d format. I have a patch that uses matrices to track my finances :) Glotch: have you played around with jit.peek~ object? |
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only to get the audio out of a movie and it a slew of dsp wankery |
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The coll object is for one dimensional storage of data. While technically you COULD use this to hold visual data, the jit.matrix object certainly makes it easier since you end up with a 2 dimensional image. Anyhow this is probably the wrong forum to get this technical. If you like, check out Cycling 74's searchable Max/MSP forum archive . Examples galore, dialog with the software authors, and a great resource while you're building your patch. However, my patch IS quite precious to me and I won't be sending it sorry :) |
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hehe, np. i understand, thanks for the link man=] |
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