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would you say that the goal for most musicians is to make money with music? |
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most..... yes me........ yes |
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no its to make a good reputation, get famous, make people want them.... id imagine most musicians didnt become musicians as their first job, they already had jobs to bring in the money to get the equipment to make the music... |
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No. For me, I would say making money from it is more of a means to an end. I don't want to make a living off it per-se, but I would love to see it paying for its own upgrades. |
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i once was told the only reaso i did music was to get girls......... if anyone could direct me to them id be very happy ive heard they are supposed to be around here somehwere! |
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for me it is..but i'm not a musician..for real musicians? i think not.. |
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no. i still think they are good people, their minds open and clear, and they do not need money at all, they just need some love, musiek and happiness. well, most of them. |
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S'true. I don't want to make a living off it (it'd be work then and hence, stressful and less fun), but it'd be nice for it to pay for itself in terms of gear/software. Same with DJing, enough cash to cover the cost of buying records would be great. |
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I think that i would like to make a living from it. But what are the chances??? I am not in it for the money though. |
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here's the thing - it's not a black and white question. yes, there are those just in it for money, just in it for fame, or those who want nothing to do with either. but many artists, many of the ones whose records we own, know that one can still make art and keep business separate. the trick is you have to make sure you don't compromise your art (or ethics) for money. that's the dreaded "sell out". there's nothing inherently wrong with making money from your art, but can you be happy with yourself if you've just made something for the money? i couldn't, personally. and it's usually reflected in the work, i think. when an artist is just cashing-in, others can usually tell. |
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Once you're released and a commercial success, it seems much harder to maintain your integrity and your judgement - not because you want to 'sell out' or sound more commercial, but simply because it puts you on a different level to where you were and it's hard to listen with the same ear than before. Same goes with writing. It's not impossible, of course, but it's harder. |
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there are many different levels and measures of commercial success. what is it exactly? it's possible to be on a major label and circumvent all the nasty compromises everyone else has to make (the melvins did this for three records on Atlantic). so i think what it comes down to is willpower. these bands are tempted by being rich and famous and they cave in and change the things they do to appease the Label. nobody ever forces anyone to become famous. that's for sure. the reason the people we hear on the mainstream radio and see on mtv are there is because they played ball. |
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I dont ever plan on making money off the music i make. I just like to do it and i like to get feedback. that is money enough for me |
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i don't play music for money. I DO IT FOR DA POOTIE. |
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Yes. But, if a band is signed up, then they are open to Inner pressures, not only External. You were talking about the external pressures, I was talking about the internal. |
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pressure on THE LADIES. THE LADIES' VAGINAS. |
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no, i'm thinking about internal as well. you mean between members of the band or within the artist themselves? there's all sorts of conflict. i agree it does get harder the more one is tempted. but i still think you just have to have the fortitude to not give in. |
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not for me. i make music for me. i would rather give it for free than sell it. and its not true that you need money to develop music - those who say that are those who never have ideas and thats what music really is - if you have ideas you dont need expensive gear and shit, so yeah, thats the thing. i bet that afx at early age didnt had most expensives synths and samplers and stuff. and he got famous anyway, so heres the proof. |
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NO, at least not at first. on another note: are you mad at me? :) |
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i wanna be on top of the pops! |
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"the reason the people we hear on the mainstream radio and see on mtv are there is because they played ball. " not always though..apperantly..who knows whether he speaks the truth or not :) i wonder if he ever compromised his music to be more successful.. "RICHARD: Well, I'm not into the big media effort. It was good for a while, but I'll never do it again. I might make other videos, but I'll never make another that gets into the mainstream. MEREDITH: Those tracks got into the mainstream? RICHARD: Pretty much. Come to Daddy was going to go well massive — not in America, but over here. It got to about 16 in the charts, and it was on the way to the top. I had to withdraw the record for a week, just so it would drop out again. I just about kept a lid on it. MEREDITH: Why would you do that? RICHARD: I think it's bad to be really well known, because you end up in people's faces whether they like you or not. That's a really horrible thought. The shittiest thing about famous people is that they just assume everyone wants to listen to them or look at them all the time. " |
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is it that obvious? :) |
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i'm eager to mention that rules don't always hold up 100% of the time. there's always special cases for things. i don't know the truth about aphex. he had the luck of being at the forefront of a movement. and when things like that happen, exceptions are made and things get a little unpredictable. so i can't comment because i don't know what actually happened. but it's a good point - there are occasional exceptions. perhaps these exceptions are more common in other countries besides the us due to the industry differences. |
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Everything is motivated by the desire to feel loved, one way or another.. |
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yeah, it probably varies from country to country..we have a complete mess on our music scene so it's hard to say anything.. also our market is way too small to not try and make something more likeable because otherwise there's no chance one could make a living with it - most of them earn money with gigs and not record sales as it is. i don't like to see artists going mainstream for the money and fame sake, but i don't have a problem if they make a commercial release here and there..money just makes it easier for them to be doing their own stuff after that, unless they like the fame and money part too much :) mike patton is a nice example how to turn from a pop star into something less mainstream..it gets much easier to do what you're into once you have all the time and no other worries.. shame there are very few to do this, because i bet some of the people in mainstream could do great music..or not, what doi i know :) adam, i don't really agree :) |
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for most musicians the goal is to make money, yes. for me, it isn't. that is, I never will. and I still keep doing it. how dumb is THAT!? |
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not dumb at all..listen to adam; "Everything is motivated by the desire to feel loved, one way or another..". |
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so even my desire to feel loved is motivated by the desire to feel loved!? |
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i couldn't say..we'll have to leave that one for adam to say. |
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patton is an interesting example. he actually started out singing for mr bungle. as a fan of most of his newer work, i am more than willing to look the other way when it comes to his other life in faith no more (a band i absolutely can't stand). so this proves that to me (and probably to you), artists are capable of "redeeming" themselves. i think we should look at the album itself, the music itself - not the artist. let's judge the art, not the person who made it. to draw a conclusion, it seems to me that it really comes down to how the artist percieves himself and how everyone else percieves the artist. what sort of compromises are you making as an artist of your art for the sake of other goals and is it worth it? can we as an audience completely enjoy something we know has been tainted by the pursuit of money or the compromise of the art? these are rhetorical questions, of course, meant to examine this point. the conclusions we all draw will be a matter of personal choice - it's completely subjective. |
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lets hope he's motivated enough by the desire to feel loved to answer our question. |
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to me, there is nothing wrong with that... i just would point out that i also don't think that any of these paths (the artist who never engages in business, the artist who engages in business on their own terms, the artist who seeks only to make money) are inherently ethically-superior or inferior points of view. what i'm saying is ethically-questionable is when the artist makes compromises of their art. |
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yeah, to look at each album individually is the best i think..im not really concerned about this whole money question, it's just that i was debating about it with some people, and wanted to see more views on this matter.. there really isn't many answerable questions in music are there..i mean no definite answers at least, most of it is completly subjective and up to every person to decide for themselves :) qrter, if he isn't we'll bribe him. |
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i think it's been a good and interesting discussion! |
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same here, always nice to read some xltronic people view on music :) |
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most people who live off their musicmaking are compromising in a way though - they're playing music they don't like that much for the money. |
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"they're playing music they don't like that much for the money" could you explain this a bit further please, i can't quite get it? :) |
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I'm talking about all the people that are session-musicians, or play in an orchestra. they mostly just see it as a job, play what's on the page and go home. |
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that's just not true. you can play music you love and believe in and attempt to get gigs with it and/or sell it on record. if other people happen to like what you like, you'll be able to sell more of it. i read all sorts of interviews with my favorite bands where they say they wouldn't put up with all the rigors of touring and lousy relationships and the disgusting business end of it if the music wasn't worth it. if you make the music you yourself enjoy, there will probably be a market for it. that market may be very small or incredibly large or anything in-between. but there's no inherent compromise made there. |
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i see, it has confused me a bit because you said "people who live off their musicmaking" before that, and session musicians don't really apply to that :) |
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session-musicians are another story. my last post wasn't about that. i would never be a session-musician, personally. it takes all the art and enjoyment out of it's just skilled labor. |
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yes, there will most likely be a market for it..but that is much easier in a country with +200 milion poeple :) |
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why not? they make music don't they? there is a much larger group of people who are just a cog in a musicmaking machine than there are people who play in a band (and actually make money of that). |
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they perform music, not really make it imo.. as for these musicians, they can't really compromise what they're doing since they only play stuff other people wrote..not sure im getting this right :-) |
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I do it for the music first. If I could dump my real job and make a living doing music, I wouldn't hesitate. |
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I don't know. I know quite a few session musicians, and they have quite a bit of respect for themselves and I have a very high reguard for them. They are not selling out, or anything like that, because they are not sacrificing something they believe in for money. The are at work, making a living. A good example of a sell out would be Moby. He used to bitch about the music scene and people selling out all the time, and all the drama queens and showboats in the music industry, untill he finally got a hit record, and then stopped doing all the stuff he was known and respected for, and made another hit album identical to the last. |
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