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I, personally, have restrained myself from making music. I have toyed with fruityloops, but have refused to actually learn how to make music, and being wanking around with software. Software bores me...I don't want to sit in front of a computer and make music...I prefer the hardware "physical touching of knobs" and a relationship with a device. I cannot have a relationship with a computer based on how I have grown accustomed to them over the years. I can, however, have a relationship with a single hardware device, synth, etc. And have different relationships between different hardware. This is one factor in which I refuse to allow myself to make music. Another, is...will I listen to music the same? This is more of a question for you people. I figure, if I learn music and how to make music, I will start changing the music-listening algorithms that I subconciously implement. If I learn the structure ... will it take away from the seemingly random and abstract view of someone's track? Will I start subconciously paying attention to the beat structure and breaks of a song? What if I get tired of this subconcious thinking ... what if I want to go back to just listening to a music for what it is. Do you find yourself analying a track now that you have begun making music? And do you find yourself somewhat pissed off at times that you subconciously nitpick and analyze a track, (especially a new track), when all you want to do is listen to it for what it is? These are my questions. |
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These are my answers: |
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Please, take some time to think about it and give me a serious analysis when/if ready. |
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you will do all of that and more. thanks for not writing music. |
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i find it easy to switch back and forth between these two ways of listening... and also, the analysing of tracks has led to greater enjoyment of them in some cases. take windowlicker as an example. i always liked it, but some people think its too pop or something. but sit down and listen to it with headphones, analyze it, think about how it was made... and that fucks my brain more than most things do |
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I definately agree with you with regards to deconstructing every piece of music you hear. But then, its the same with all the creative stuff I take an interest in. Graphic Design is my main field, and because we're encouraged to analyse and interpret everything we see, I feel I become distracted from enjoying the experience of seeing (or in your case, hearing) a piece of art. Saying that, i'm normally able to disconnect myself from the banal of over-analysis, and I know when to just switch off and listen ;) |
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Right, I think about the structure far too often, but I don't have a 2,4,8, etc. or whatever you guys use ... jeering in my head about a track. I'm worried about a "point of no return" ... where say, once I aquire a certain level of experience and knowledge of correct music making, I will never be able to have the same feelings and "way of listening" to a track I once did. |
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Brisk, Right on. |
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Yeah, you do hear it differently... It's all down to the old over-rationalising - The only time I hear music exactly like I used to is on acid, or, sometimes, when I can turn that analytical part of my mind off... I've been listening to ambient techno lately (Elektrolux records) and that can hit the spot - It sends the thinking brain to sleep a bit. In some ways of course it makes listening to music better, because you appreciate and pick up on things you wouldn't otherwise, you yeah, you lose that feeling when an album takes you somewhere... If you identify everything you're hearing it just becomes beats, synths, and samples... Which is boring. In a way I wish I'd never started with the computer... I think it's down to seeing music graphically so much... If I use a soundtracker or hardware sequencer long enough, I start to hear music on the Z-axis again... |
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every time i start doing something i just get incredibly hungry for some music i just have to quit and listen to something good. |
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i would never make music, 1) i enjoy listening to it much more than i do breathing, so that is no contest 2) there are artists that are much better than me, its not jealiousy, i would rather listen to their stuff than tool around with mine 3) you have to devote yourself to it, and i dont think i could do this, therefore i would be wasting my time, in conclusion, i love listening to music, and would not change that for the world. |
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The only thing that can happen is that you'll realise how shit "shit music" is, and how fantastic "great music" is. And if it's really fucking amazing music, you won't be thinking about the structure or anything else at all. |
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I personally enjoy listening to music more. I do like to make music then listen to the result. That is the most satisfying thing about it. |
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wel.. duh! music is made for listening isn't it? people make music for many different reasons. personally i would like to make music so i could have something to listen to.. but my stuff is never as good as what's out there to listen so I don't like making music. |
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music is made for listening, r u serios? |
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i enjoy messing around with music but overall i'd take listening to music anyday. i'd like to have some sort of local scene where i could tool around with others and have fun with making music rather than pooping around by myself. i think it would flourish more. |
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I agree with vacant here.. It's truly a double-edged sword. Tracks that I used to think were ingenious several years ago have since become predicatable, 'presetty', formulaic, simplistic, flawed, etc. The worst feeling is listening to music and picking up on the artist making the same mistakes and falling into the same compostional traps that you do! It's disconcerting. On the other hand, after making, or attempting to make, electronic music, the appreciation of some of the best IDM becomes exponentially greater. I have always loved Autechre, but once I realized how much was going into those tracks, I was impressed that much more. The same goes for Aphex Twin and many other artists and has reinforced my love of them. Thanks for the thoughtful thread, elusive. |
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"ignorance is bliss knowledge is power" ~Those guys |
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I do find myself analysing music more and more and thinking to myself "I could do that". Then I start making a track, self doubt kicks in and I go back to listening again. Ive decided to lock myself in the studio next week (almost Trainspotting style), unplugging the internet and making some noise, see if anything good comes out. |
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I dabbled in electronic musicmaking a couple years ago but my tracks, both complete and incomplete, were wiped in a harddrive crash and it killed my motivation. Although they were atrocious and embryonic, I really dug a few of them and I was making progress. But I really have no time for it, anyway. I don't think I'd ever be happy with the music I would have made regardless. I think if I made my dream music, it would sound more like the Carpenters, Harpers Bizarre or early Bee Gees than Autechre, hohoho. |
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At least no-one was hurt in the harddrive crash, sounds nasty. ;) You should give it another try if you enjoyed doing it, when something good comes out, it's a good feeling. |
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If you prefer "physical touching of knobs", to making music, perhaps writing tracks isn't for you ;-) One of the biggest things I find is noticing how I'd do things differently in tracks. Like the piano in xmd5a, or the way I'd extend the intro to prodigy - girls, by 2 bars and slow the rate the filter is applied accordingly. Ophecks: Your piano type track wasn't bad. Sadly, I lost my copies in a recent HD crash too :-/ |
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don't think so much. make music if you like doing it, don't if you.. well, don't. maybe you'll listen differently to music, but dog_belchz0r is right - you'll just really enjoy what you think is good and get physically ill by what you think is shit. :P people overthink things, I reckon. |
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I know... I've tried getting back into it but I already feel swamped with other things. :_-( I did enjoy it and I wish I had space and free hours for it. Ceri- thanks, heh. Actually that piano track was definitely my favorite, even though it was totally fruity to the maximum. I must have done something right because I get the melody stuck in my head even now. I can't remember my other shit except for this weird xylophone drum 'm bass track, but the piano one was the only one I really liked. |
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I play with the little hardware i have all the time and it never gets me anywhere. : ( |
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I can, however, have a relationship with a single hardware device *snicker* Elusive and asinglehardwaredevice, sittin' in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g! |
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I think there is more than that going on? =) |
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hahaha! |
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no she doesnt have enuff output ports :( |
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that was actually funny. |
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V.S. THE ULTIMATE JUDGEMENT DAY ROYAL-TEAM WANKING RUMBLE FIGHT TO THE DEATH. RRAWWHHHHH |
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