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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2005-01-02 09:25 [#01442255]
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maybe they have a one-fingered chimpanzee that manages their databases..
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ecnadniarb
on 2005-01-02 09:25 [#01442256]
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haha...I am sure phobia and tune both have more than one finger.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2005-01-02 09:34 [#01442266]
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shhh someone might be listening in on us
the walls have ears!
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2005-01-02 09:34 [#01442267]
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<_<
>_>
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-01-02 09:36 [#01442268]
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omg that gif is making me dizzy.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2005-01-02 09:38 [#01442269]
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har har
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-01-02 09:42 [#01442270]
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man, the link is dead on that image!
double you tee eff
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2005-01-02 09:44 [#01442273]
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i suggest consulting IMHOtep about this
LAZY_IMHOTEP
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-01-02 09:48 [#01442278]
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fuck!, that dude sounds pretty awesome.
i hope people are still talking about me in 5,000 years.
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-02 10:04 [#01442302]
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Yeah yeah, jeroen mentioned this, but remember jeroen you mentioned it because I brought it up, pigfucker!
Like Lee said, a possible drawback is the client-side computation.. but as far as I know the javascript already used is at the same level.. however it can be ignored. I guess maybe a phone will be able to do it soon, if not already. My aim Lee was to make it a drop-in replacement for the current one and not try to change things at all (as I would expect that request to fail).
mrgypsum, it's not 'hard-coded'; like lee said the difference is that the computation is on the client and not on the server, so the transmission cost is saved..
I think that *everyone* should notice the index being faster.
also the same code could be used for the topic view, where it may be nice for things like the 'now playing' thread with 1239821 hojillion messages.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-01-02 10:08 [#01442307]
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yeah, the actual processor power needed to generate the list is very small. a simple loop counting up to 10,000 or whatever would probably only take a millisecond.
however, the time it takes to transfer 100k over dialup is probably noticable.
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-02 10:16 [#01442314]
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Oh I forgot to mention.. yeah like you said js files can be included, so you can have just one shared js file among many pages and the browser caches them. I doubt that'll happen though, there are a few JS shits littered at the beginning of the pages, but not enough to motivate moving it into a file (I mean I would do it, I'm saying they wouldn't listen). The only reason I posted this was due to the 5x change. I talk too much.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-01-02 10:21 [#01442319]
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you sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-02 10:28 [#01442326]
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2 months of permban; sweet words like these bring tear to my eyes. give me about 3 days and I'll be a rabid cunt again and the permban will be final.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-01-02 10:33 [#01442331]
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Cool idea!
:D
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-02 10:35 [#01442332]
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JAroen gets partial credit =P
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-01-02 10:39 [#01442336]
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:D
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2005-01-02 11:12 [#01442348]
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you are starting to bore me already
im gonna make rukspoken2, tudelft2, rukkieslim2 and bakkiesbotha2 right away
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-02 11:25 [#01442360]
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hey, you can't use my 'shutup' idea ONLY against me.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2005-01-02 12:10 [#01442396]
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actually, it was meant as a question
when will we do it?
shutup!
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-02 17:58 [#01442745]
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Just parse the server on a two way interchange. Right now, it's four way prototype forces the bits to travel through the web before they even enter the internet, in each direction, which uses at least 12 proxy servers but more often than not, 16. Reducing it to a two prong proxy will minimize this and latch the server onto a temporary firewall. It can then sit there, allowing you to multitask a new route for it and jam it. All you have to do really is burn it to a mdf file, then convert it to .hfc. After it's parced it will be much more efficient because 4 cubed is sixteen whereas 2 cubed is only 4. It's really quite embarrassing that nobody noticed this before. Fucking computers.
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-02 18:23 [#01442761]
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I'm setting that as my wallpaper. I have strange screen proportions (imagine a penis), so I'll fill in the extra space with something related (imagine a penis)
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tunemx
from Budapest (Hungary) on 2005-01-03 07:24 [#01443127]
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it's not hardcoded :-)
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-03 13:24 [#01443647]
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nothing wrong with hard coding, to me it looks a little like it, but i am not too familar with the php so my mistake
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tunemx
from Budapest (Hungary) on 2005-01-04 14:00 [#01445042]
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I added some JS code based on sneakattack's idea. Everybody invited to test. My page size went down to 50kb on the index page, and to approx 100kb on topic pages. Dunno the previous values though, I have DSL here ;)
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-01-04 14:04 [#01445049]
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suggestion:
I don't know how to do javascript, but if possible, I would adapt the code to PHP... compliancy won't be an issue since it's server-side, and since both languages are more or less C-ish (I think), adaptation shouldn't be that hard. JS is kind of a no-no nowadays...
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-04 14:05 [#01445052]
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I'm glad it worked out ok! I have topic view set to just 20, so the difference is huge for me--30k instead of 150k.
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-04 14:07 [#01445058]
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1) Reducing server load and bandwidth usage was the point, and is a good thing
2) JavaScript is a no-no? Look at gmail. Besides the very basic javascript this uses has been supported by every browser for years. Furthermore the site requires you to have javascript--you can't log in with it turned off!
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-04 14:07 [#01445059]
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when I say 'the site', I mean xlt--the login function checks if you have javascript, and has ever since I got here.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-01-04 14:12 [#01445070]
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hmm.. well, all I know is that JS is no loonger recommended, but there are many more important upgrades to be done first... like using divs for design instead of tables...
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-04 14:14 [#01445076]
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Recommended by whom? Pick your sword by the battle. This bit of javascript has vastly reduced page loads, and is supported by everyone for whom the site was already supported. Hence there are no cons, and some pros.
And by the way, you say c-ish; all three languages use infix notation for algebraic evaluations, but that is an almost universal commonality between languages. resemblance stops there.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-01-04 14:17 [#01445084]
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while it's not perfect, javascript is dang near universal on teh webby.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-01-04 14:18 [#01445086]
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well.. they're both more or less english... however, I don't know much JS. I mostly use PHP when I need dynamic content.
JS is not recommended by just about every recently educated webdesigner I've talked to. If you use PHP correctly, the server-load will be reduced even more, I think.
but the main priority for tune and phob should be to change the table-design into div.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-01-04 14:18 [#01445087]
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is this why I'm getting errors this evening?
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-04 14:20 [#01445096]
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and now I educate you to reread my post starting with "Recommended by whom?".
qrter no, those are unrelated php errors. hahhaaha 'gayest color possible' hahahahaa
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-04 14:21 [#01445099]
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And, by the way, php isn't even a fucking language, holy shit is that a bad choice to toot your horn from.
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tunemx
from Budapest (Hungary) on 2005-01-04 14:26 [#01445106]
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what errors do you get?
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tunemx
from Budapest (Hungary) on 2005-01-04 14:27 [#01445109]
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ah the PHP errors :)
they are coming because i am lazy to use a test environment :)
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sneakattack
on 2005-01-04 14:28 [#01445111]
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I think there are also probably some when you're saving files in the middle of an update, and people download something partial..
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-01-04 14:28 [#01445112]
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this is exciting!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-01-04 14:30 [#01445118]
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I get some kind of babble, forget to make a screenie each time.
only lasts 30 seconds or something, must be what you're talking about.
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