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curious how many others here are into ebm/industrial stuff; was into it pretty heavily before i started discovering autechre and the like. i'd hope to think there was some overlap between the genres; certainly there's a lot in common that i can see (beyond the obscurity, of course). managed to recover an old filled up 120 gig mp3 hard drive drive the other day from a few years ago I thought I'd lost in a data accident. been listening to the likes of haujobb, skinny puppy, front 242, kmfdm, gridlock, wumpscut, covenant and the like - good stuff! haujobb's newest album, vertical theory, is quite nice, too; got it the other day. |
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the soundwaves of the mentioned bands physically hurt me. that's annoying. |
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that wasn't the answer i was looking for :P |
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i used to love this stuff back when i was younger... i listened to every one of the above mentioned bands.... as far a some sort of connection goes between the two: in general it's not too hard to see in certain cases... in particular, I think of Atom Heart/Geeez'n'Gosh/Uwe Schmidt/Senor Coconut who used to go by Lassigue Bendthaus back when he was making relatively wicked EBM.... oh memories... |
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the answer is NITZER EBB - I think they still sound fresh even today and latest Fixmer/McCarthy project - it's a pleasure to hear his voice once again |
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I'd recommend gridlock but I see you got that covered allready. I dont know what EBM is, but Speedy J did an amazing industrial album called 'a shocking hobby' but I'm sure you know about that one. |
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indeed. some of gridlock's side projects aren't too bad, either. didn't think i'd still be into this stuff as heavily as i used to be, but it's just as good as i remember it was. on mentioning kmfdm though, what the fuck is up with the most recent album? i didn't mind the mdfmk release, as commercially orientated as it was (it was far more electronic, which always goes down well in my books), but the kmfdm release after this was kinda shit compared to their earlier works. their latest sounds like a terrible metal band. damn. |
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i liked Nitzer, FLA, Laibach, Borghesia, F242, and a lot more of course too bad it was a dead end for music RIP EBM |
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how was it a dead end? |
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control i'm here by nitzer ebb is one of my favourite tunes ever |
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THROBBING GRISTLE |
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electronic bowel movement?! |
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I <3 industrial music. Front 242 is one of my favorite bands of any genre. I also love Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Haujobb, Front Line Assembly, some KMFDM and even *gasp* Nine Inch Nails. The only 'industrial' album I've bought I really didn't care for was Welcome to Earth by Apoptygma Berzerk. It was nice enough but it was basically trance. I like trance and especially synthpop, but if you're gonna call it 'industrial' it needs the noisy elements too.. a little bit of an edge. |
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what everyone else said |
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i personally think metropolis records' entire roster is crap. i wouldn't be caught dead listening to something like vnv nation; it's horseshit. as for industrialish stuff (i'm not going to argue with anyone, i don't really care if i'm categorizing it wrong and mimi you moron, real industrial is cabaret fuck face, throbbing cock, or skinny dick or whoever the fuck)...once in a blue moon i like to throw in a little chemlab, skinny puppy, nine inch nails (omg she said the n word), older ministry...but that's about it...it was better when i didn't know music without lyrics existed (ha ha, well of course i knew it existed, but i didn't know about anything but moby fergodsake, and ya know how attractive THAT is)...lyrics are really the downfall of this genre, save for like, ministry or some a couple bands that are actually have something to say and don't just luck out on a baller synth line. not that i can really understand what al jourgensen's saying, but it sounds like something to me! i love chemlab, but i don't want to listen to some guy singing about sniffing glue and molecules or whatever, and i really can't stomach it nowadays very often. |
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i never thought kmfdm-like music is industrial, and do not agree with the term. it's just techno+rock. Something mad, like shaking stones in bottles, drumming on various crap, imitating or using recorded sounds of machinery - that's what should be called industrial music, not rammstein ansectors... and what is gridlock doin in that list? does, or did, he play industrial sometimes? |
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shaking stones in bottles, drumming on various crap, imitating or using recorded sounds of machinery - that's what should be called industrial music noooo! this should be called Draft 7.30 :D as for Gridlock - yes, their earlier albums had more industrial flavor... and btw, Gridlock is actually two guys |
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:) YEAH!! AE DRAFT 7.30 is INDUSTRIAL!!! and ok, from now i will refer to gridlock as "it" :) |
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Yeah, Apoptygma has been on the trance-tip on his latest albums, but he did some trance-stuff with another norwegian dj back in 95, so I guess he's has the credentials to back it up. Nevertheless, his stuff can easily be linked to the EBM-scene, especially the pre Welcome to Earth albums, and all he has kind of updated the sound using the trance-stabs and stuff. I enjoy Apop, but I do get a bit bothered with the trance stuff he puts in. To distance myself from/repress this fact I tend to label his music as just synth:) |
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I like type o negative. |
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i'm afraid that Peter Steele and Co. have NOTHING to do with this thread... great band tho. |
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absolutely nothing, I agree.. |
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my honest opinion is genres (as in, labelling music) is reasonably stupid considering how diverse a lot of this kind of music is. people do tend to associate such artists with ebm/industrial; i understand it may not be 'technically correct', but it gets the point across. i remember having conversations with some guys i knew who were nin obsessed (i'm not perfect, i spent stupid amounts of money collecting the full halo set at one stage); they'd claim that nin wasn't industrial, which is fair enough, but then couldn't actually place a genre that they fitted in apart from some vague description like you just did with kmfdm. we need a better way to cateogrize music. |
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yeah, labelling is stupid - to hell all labels! (Warp, Rephlex, Mego, Touch, Virgin/EMI/BMG/SONY etc) i remember (or think that i remember) that at first industrial bands were that shakin stones and scratchin rusty metal surfaces. But in some years KMFDM appeared and became industrial, along with skinny puppy, which i yet hate a little. To heck genres. |
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well, to hell with riaa-associated labels, rock on warp/rephlex/skam, et al. but you know that's not what i meant :p |
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yes, i know what you meant. Just a joke that was, about labels. |
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Matvey, please get Skinny Puppy's Last Rights. in case you already have it, give it a listen... i hope your opinion of the band will change forever. this album is absolutely amazing from beginning to end... one of the best albums ever, of any genre. |
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ok. i don't have it. i didn't like their last album and what i heard from time to time. Thanks for the recommendation! |
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spasibo :) |
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ïîæà ëóéñòà ! :) |
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понял :) |
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biscuits and tea |
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we need a better way to cateogrize music. No we need to stop catagorizing music. Which is funny because i think that anything that blatently falls into a catagory usually ends up being 'not as good' as something thats hard to catagorize. Thats why some fuck-face made up "IDM" because they didn't know what catagory Aphex, SQpusher, AE, etc fell into... |
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:) |
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"if you like this, try this" is pretty much how i have found everything i listen to, and isn't that what a genre is? |
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i remember back in the audiogalaxy days, a major feature of it the entire community was based around was its ability to track simular artists by people sharing music. i discovered a hell of a lot of music that way (heh, ironically enough, a lot of ebm/industrial, i believe). i know soulseek has something like it, but it's not implemented in way where it's a major feature of the software and the community isn't based around it, so hardly anybody uses it and it tends to suck. |
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