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16 hours on 2002-01-27 02:00 [#00075231] | |||||||||
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Is it natural that artists get worse within 10 years, where they get a bit too comfortable with the adoration? Or is it they are trying to re-live their youth by trying to be cotradictory(splg) |
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Aktium from bat country on 2002-01-27 04:43 [#00075264] | |||||||||
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not true |
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Gwion Gallt from Cymru on 2002-01-27 05:11 [#00075273] | |||||||||
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Eh? He's getting better mate. Watcha onaboot. Oh! You mean, Because Aphex Twin didn't release another pop record hes magically turned into a talentless loser. Fuck you |
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laughable butane bobby on 2002-01-27 05:33 [#00075284] | |||||||||
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actually i once made up a drunken theory, but nobody ever likes it. about the better music artists... ( in general) first 5 years- creative bursts of energy, still learning and developing their own idiom and style, often naive. 5 to 10 years into the career- the artist has developed their style, and produces less, but has mastered their style. often this is their best sounding stuff, but sometimes may lack some of the energy of the early years. 10 to 15 years- the artists are starting to lose it, they are still good at what they do, but they lack the unique creativity of the early years, and may imitate their younger selfs in vain (go old skool). often the artist tries to assimilat (ripoff) newer styles at the same time, often to lame effect. 15 to 20 years - the artists have pretty much become a joke, totally losing relevance to modern music, trying to relieve the salad days. the only fans are those who have followed them for a decade. after 20 years - the artist(s) finally give up trying to do anything new, and if they have built up enough of a fan base, they essentially become a cover band of themselves, playing for nostalgia and having reunion tours, playing all the old songs in front of an aging but willing fanbase. if they are good enough, they can leech out a lot of money doing this for years. they can try to record new songs, but nobody will give a shit. hopefully, Aphex can avoid this cycle to some extent ... of course people tend to get stuck on the same bands, and as they grow older, they just listen to the same stuff, never understanding anything new or different, so i guess the typical "fan" goes through a similar cycle. |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-27 05:52 [#00075291] | |||||||||
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There is ONE exception to the rules, and that's the Beatles. 62-69, 7 years, and they got better and better and better... George was improving, so who KNOWS what they could have done into the '70s... don't judge their crap solo stuff, the 4 of them together had magic. Too bad they couldn't sort things out in their personal lives. I swear, if they stayed around music would be a different landscape right now. Aphex is past his prime (odd, considering I think Drukqs is his best) and I don't think he'll match SAW2 or anything again. |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-27 05:54 [#00075292] | |||||||||
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Observe... Rolling Stones.... Sad state of affairs for a once proud band. |
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titsworth_courier from washington, dc on 2002-01-27 06:37 [#00075294] | |||||||||
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i disagree. the beatles would be another rolling stones. let it be is garbage, and abbey road has some filler on it. sorry, but their moments of brilliants in the last year or two of their career were coupled with rehash and uninspired hogwash. i don't know if aphex will ever make anything as beautiful as SAW2, but it's not really fair to say he's passed his prime cos he hasn't made an ambient album since then. for all we know he could have made a lot of ambient tracks since SAW2 that might be better and he just doesn't want to release them. maybe in the future he'll return to ambient. who knows. but it's silly to say that's where his career peaked. his non-ambient tracks are getting better and better, and anything that he's made since SAW2 that you might put in the same vein as that album i'd probably disagree with. |
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laughable butane bob on 2002-01-27 06:58 [#00075297] | |||||||||
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well, my "five year plan theory" works better with bands, but most bands are really just the result of one or two people (which might include the producer), the other people are just along for the ride. i think Richard could have a long and lucretive career, he could, if he so desired, do soundtracks or other multimedia stuff. but you have to face reality... artists don't keep churning out original stuff forever, most music artists (really tends to be a younger frield, in terms of energy) just start repeating themselves. even painters tend to have a period where they have a burst of creativity, which they cannot sustain. |
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m on 2002-01-27 07:08 [#00075300] | |||||||||
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interesting. when you start you're sort of experimental. but you learn techniques and how to use your tools and medium, and new ideas and techniques combine with old ones, like the history of invention. Ultimately it is pointless. the creator gets bored doing the same thing maybe and even if something is particularly interesting they may avoid it just because they already did it. art's purpose is to ease boredom or to dull reality by making some more interesting data for the senses to register than can be gotten from any one time during your 40 hour/wk job. |
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titsworth_courier from washington, dc on 2002-01-27 07:17 [#00075302] | |||||||||
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2 of my favorite groups, nin and radiohead, have been in the game since the late 80s (radiohead took 4 years to release a full length). nin has always been experimental, and if you think the fragile was rehash you didn't listen carefuly enough. trent's new stuff on the 'still' disc is another progression. and radiohead, 10+ years into being a band together, are more innovative than they ever were before. so there are definitely exceptions to that. of course there are also a lot of good examples of how you're right, like u2 and rem who both released "classic" style albums in 00 or 01 that were truthfully unimpressive. |
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AMinal from toronto, canada on 2002-01-27 07:38 [#00075305] | |||||||||
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yes i agree butane bob most bands and some electronic artists (from what ive seen so far) seem to go through those stages although the length of each stage might change, they're usually there: 1st album - lots of creative engergy, w/ glimpses of true potential, but lacks direction, or is not harnessed to fullest extent 2nd album - continues w/ that engergy but this time expressed fully, technically superior, excellent stuff 3rd album - perhaps gets over confidant or something cus they just rehash the same shit without doing anything new.. try to ride their wave of success from their previous work, while techically similar it lacks the same energy and becomes stale. or even worse, might make the mistake of thinking they can be good at something new uh.. u can replace album w/ stage/phase or whatever.. im getting too tired to keep typing |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-27 08:20 [#00075308] | |||||||||
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For your comments about the Beatles, I'm going to kill you, Tits. Not tonight, it's almost 4:30 AM. |
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Xanatos from NYC on 2002-01-27 08:49 [#00075312] | |||||||||
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"Is it natural that artists get worse within 10 years, where they get a bit too comfortable with the adoration? Or is it they are trying to re-live their youth by trying to be cotradictory(splg)" shut the fuck up man. So you didn't like drukqs, great, thats fascinating. Aphex's early shit was worse than his middle stuff its obvious. relive their youth? what the hell are you talking about? Sorry to attack you, but you sound like an asshole. |
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m on 2002-01-27 08:53 [#00075315] | |||||||||
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Yeah! I agree with Xanatos! |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2002-01-27 09:58 [#00075318] | |||||||||
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That was just an opinion. I agree, I like AFX's older stuff a lot better than I do Drukqs crap. I mean thats my opinion, so what does it matter, thats how someone sees it. |
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Darth manchu on 2002-01-27 11:07 [#00075321] | |||||||||
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I dont really like comparing old to new aphex basically on the account that they are completely different. I enjoy the older and newer stuff for different reasons. It would be an easier arguement if he'd always done ambient or always done all the d 'n' b stuff. He has so many ideas and styles that it isnt really fair to compare it all. |
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Nazi Pokemon from UK on 2002-01-27 16:52 [#00075347] | |||||||||
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thanks for signing my guestbook darth manchu :) lol i thought it was one of my mates fucking around when i read it :P |
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-a from --- on 2002-01-27 19:41 [#00075368] | |||||||||
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a lot of people try to analyze music too much. it's fine if you analyze music, but if you analyze it to a point where it takes away the pleasure of listening, then you're analyzing too much. basically, it all comes down to listening pleasure. if it sounds good don't worry about if it's "old school" or what not. just enjoy it for what it is. music is about emotion, it isn't easy to create a new sound to provoke the same emotions that you have felt. if you want something really "new," then try to create a sound that provokes something you haven't felt before. |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-27 19:43 [#00075369] | |||||||||
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yes yes, so true... music doesn't have to be mind blowingly inovative to be good... it just needs to be good, to be good... if you enjoy it, that's all that matters... Boards of Canada aren't considered as innovative as Aphex Twin, or Autechre, but they have a great sense of melody, and put a lot of emotion into their music, and a lot of people love their music... because it's good... |
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Spud from Susanville, CA on 2002-01-27 23:37 [#00075429] | |||||||||
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First off Drukqs is not crap and that's that. Second, the only reason people begin to hate a band is when they become popular. For example once they show up on TRl they are considered sellouts. Um, excuse me but isn't it the so-called fans that make the decision on which the band should be on TRL or not? Yes, it sure is. The band has no say in it. So if you think about it it is not the band's fault, it's the fans. Another good example of a band getting better every time is Tool, they have never produced a dissapointing cd, and for those of you who think Lateralus sucks just because it got popular should get your heads out of your asses and use your brains for once. |
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jeff on 2002-01-28 00:06 [#00075432] | |||||||||
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'the only reason people begin to hate a band is when they become popular' spud? you one dimensional dick! there's never one reason to anything. re-think your shallow comment and try again... |
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umbriel from quebec...the old on 2002-01-28 00:27 [#00075436] | |||||||||
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laughable butane bob : david bowie isnt part of the cycle. i dont have any more exemples. but i think your theory is well thought but in pratice, its really not realistic |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2002-01-28 00:48 [#00075442] | |||||||||
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Its just someones opinion, how many times must that be said in a messageboard. Someone doesnt like someone because they are famous, thats totally fine, just as a good reason to them as any other, obviously. I dont hate a band or person because they are popular in the music industry. What does it matter, its fine if someone thinks or believes that. |
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Xanatos from NYC on 2002-01-28 01:05 [#00075448] | |||||||||
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Reflex: Obviously everything anyone posts is their opinion. If someone says "Drukqs sucks", they're not saying "You think Drukqs sucks", they are saying "I think Drukqs sucks". I don't think that needs to be clarified over and over again. |
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Kalaim Badkaama from France on 2002-01-28 01:48 [#00075462] | |||||||||
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Druqks sucks. Druqks don't suck. Druqks sucks. Druqks don't suck. Hell! y people don't just listen to music instead of beeing disapointed cuz the album is not what they waited (i mean crazy aphex twin?) i liked some tracks, and i liked the way he tortured a piano to make those sounds... that cd don't suck. only people do. Druqks sucks. Druqks don't suck. Druqks sucks. Druqks don't suck. |
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jeff on 2002-01-28 02:03 [#00075472] | |||||||||
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It does need clarifying with you Xantos because you are very pedantic. Your arse licking doesn't do you credit. It's an opinion and a fact to me, I am interested to what other people think. Why you pick up on something that has nothing to do with the actual statement is pathetic. This is a message board not an english class you silly twat! |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-28 02:33 [#00075485] | |||||||||
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As for me, and I don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks, I always assume I'm right... (why the fuck would I continue thinking the way I do if I thought I was WRONG???)... Drukqs is incredible, blows the RDJ Album, and everything else, out of the water. The complexity mixed with the minimalistic tracks make the RDJ Album seem boring to me by comparison. There's nothing on there that matches Vordhosbn. (And OF COURSE, contents of this post are OPHECKS' opinion. :-D ) |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2002-01-28 02:38 [#00075490] | |||||||||
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Fair enough, ofcourse it makes sense, its right to you, and what I think is right to me. But its just opinion, some people talk as if it were some sort of fact. Thats all. I just cant get around the new stuff, its not too "difficult" or too "complex" for me, its boring actually. I mean ive said it before, it is complex, but thats what turned me off from it, I dont care how precise he can get, thats not hard to do. I just dont think he went in the right direction for me. Not at all. |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-28 02:44 [#00075499] | |||||||||
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I dunno... Ziggomatic has so much going on, I just CAN'T get bored. But it would be nice if he's tone it down a bit... be more laid back, make another ''Alberto Balsalm'' type of track. Drukqs is SORELY missing some prettier moments. The piano tracks are nice, but I want nice, atmospheric synths and some strings. A really fleshed out masterpiece, not the little soft ditties he sprinkles around Drukqs. A track like Fingerbib, Balsalm, Flim, IZ-US... I guess I want him to do that again... but I can't complain about CockVer10 and St Micheals Mount, holy hell... gimme some Aphex Acid. |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2002-01-28 02:57 [#00075511] | |||||||||
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One big problem I found with the album besides that I just dont enjoy it much, is that it seems as if it is made with LOTS of filler. |
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Spud from Susanville, CA on 2002-01-28 03:02 [#00075515] | |||||||||
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Jeff, next time think before you type out anything, as your comments contribute absolutely nothing, other than the obviousness of your major stupidity. I don't need to re-think my "shallow" comment because it wasn't shallow to begin with you asshole. |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2002-01-28 03:09 [#00075525] | |||||||||
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Spud: uhm - well soley coming onto a messageboard to tell someone their are an asshole doesnt contribute one damn thing, if anything it takes away from what can be lent in to the discussion. Drukqs..... nothing left for me to say about that, anyone rearrange the songs and play them the new way you arranged them? to me it doesnt change the mood of the CD, which I believe is a bad thing. Anyone? |
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corn grower from Iowa on 2002-01-28 03:12 [#00075527] | |||||||||
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I'm actually in the process of doing that right now. I'm trying to figure out a good order to put the songs I like onto one cd. Right now all I have for sure is that I want it to open with 54 cymru beats and end with ziggomatic. Any suggestions? |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2002-01-28 03:13 [#00075528] | |||||||||
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I started With 54 as well...... I dunno I tried, but I couldnt do it. Go for it though, do what you will, make it better, I sure couldnt. |
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