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offline brokephones from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:41 [#01360074]
Points: 6113 Status: Lurker



I just got an offer from cbc which is the
largest tv network in Canada to buy and own the rights to my
song Slow Kids Cereal for 100$.

This is good and this is bad, and crap am I ever caught in a
decision.

Should I sell? Not much money but could have a composition
credit under my belt.

Should I keep the rights? Its my tune after all.

I would appreciate 2cents from everyone if you got em to
spare.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2004-10-11 19:44 [#01360080]
Points: 8168 Status: Lurker



don't.
haha say fox offered more or something...


 

offline plaster from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:45 [#01360081]
Points: 4173 Status: Regular



ok,so what did they offer you besides the cash...did they
tell you that you still own the track?



 

offline brokephones from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:46 [#01360085]
Points: 6113 Status: Lurker | Followup to plaster: #01360081



"Use by CBC of the Recording(s), or any part thereof on any
CBC website, CBC television/radio program, CBC recording,
and CBC marketing material or other paraphernalia and
products related to CBC programming. CBC shall have a
non-exclusive, irrevocable, unrestricted, worldwide license
to: (i) use, reproduce, store, modify, make derivative works
from, transmit, distribute, publicly perform or display the
Recording(s) in any media for any purpose, and (ii) to
sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to
exercise any of the foregoing rights."


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-10-11 19:47 [#01360088]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker | Followup to brokephones: #01360074



Is this the final price you settled on?


 

offline plaster from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:48 [#01360089]
Points: 4173 Status: Regular



i see...

interresting to see em not taking the full ownership...like
hobbes said...say that u got another proposition from one
foreign RTV....say croatian television,lol.

imo, i would sell the track


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-10-11 19:48 [#01360090]
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$100...tell the fuckers to go and swivel. How long did it
take you to produce the track? I bet they are offering you
something like $5 - $10 an hour for producing music they
will then own. Bullshit I say. Fucking faggots.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360091]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to brokephones: #01360085



it kind of depends on how Canadian copyright-laws work.

Dutch copyright laws, for example, say anything an artist
makes will always stay the artistic property of that
person.


 

offline Fuckwagon from Dallas (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360092]
Points: 1304 Status: Lurker



sell that shit, that's great


 

offline plaster from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360093]
Points: 4173 Status: Regular



but for more money...definetly


 

offline brokephones from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360094]
Points: 6113 Status: Lurker | Followup to mappatazee: #01360088



This is the initial offer. First email from them expressing
their interest to buy the rights. They've asked to air it on
an episode once and I agreed. Now they want to own it like 5
months later.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360095]
Points: 12585 Status: Lurker | Followup to brokephones: #01360085



Do you think your song is worth only $100 ? I mean, it
sounds like they will OWN IT FOREVER. Ask them for more
money if you can depart with the track i suppose.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-10-11 19:50 [#01360097]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker | Followup to brokephones: #01360094



I'd sell it, but fuck, $100? Yeah, give them a piece of
your mind. What pricks.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:51 [#01360098]
Points: 12585 Status: Lurker | Followup to brokephones: #01360094



Tell them you want like 20% of all profits made of your
track too. see what they say.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:52 [#01360101]
Points: 12585 Status: Lurker | Followup to weatheredstoner: #01360098



if they agree, get a lawyer or someone who knows law to make
sure the proper ammendments to the agreement so you dont get
screwed legally


 

offline brokephones from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:52 [#01360106]
Points: 6113 Status: Lurker | Followup to ecnadniarb: #01360090



I made it in one night. Its hard to make a decision when at
the time I was taking a piss clicking my mouse and now its
turned into $100.

The 100$ is meh. Its having a composition credit under my
belt that is interesting to me.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:52 [#01360107]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to weatheredstoner: #01360098



..profits?

how much does a tv-programme make?


 

offline brokephones from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:53 [#01360110]
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Oh Royalties. I never thought of that


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:54 [#01360112]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to brokephones: #01360110



..which royalties!?

they want to use it as a soundtrack to
television-programmes, right?


 

offline plaster from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:55 [#01360113]
Points: 4173 Status: Regular



in that case you should get an attorney and claim that they
pay you every time they air the track.
it's the only way you can do something in the long
run,otherwise they're ripping you off big time.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:55 [#01360115]
Points: 12585 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #01360107



its not teh TV programme, but this agreement is stating that
the Channel will own it and be able to distribute it as they
wish and make profit off it as they wish...

Brokephones: See what they say if you tell them that they
have to pay you a certain percentage evertime they make
money on the track, and that you should emailed everytime
your track appears via their broadcasting.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-10-11 19:56 [#01360116]
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Look none of you are in a position to offer the fella any
proper advice from a position of experience so just try to
limit the damage you have already done to yourselves in
appearing stupid and stop typing you gang of fucking
faggots.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:58 [#01360120]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to plaster: #01360113



that again wholly depends on the system of copyrighting in
your country.

to take the Netherlands as an example again, each time a
piece of music is played (be it on radio or tv), the artist
gets paid a very small amount of money by a special
organisation that exists solely to regulate this. there is
no direct payment between broadcasting houses and artists.


 

offline plaster from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:58 [#01360123]
Points: 4173 Status: Regular



nothing without an attorney...the deals in music industry
are a big scam


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:59 [#01360125]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to weatheredstoner: #01360115



they clearly want to avoid exactly that kind of fuss, they
want a simple buy-out, so chances are the deal will
evaporate if you start making demands like that.


 

offline plaster from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 20:00 [#01360126]
Points: 4173 Status: Regular | Followup to qrter: #01360120



yeah,those are the royalties and he must agree with this Tv
to be able to get em otherwise they will earn 100 000 $ and
he will only get 100 $.

thats just silly


 

offline brokephones from Londontario on 2004-10-11 20:01 [#01360128]
Points: 6113 Status: Lurker



I have a friend whose father is an excellent attourney. I'll
see him for advice on this. Keep your thoughts coming, I
will absorb them like a sponge.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:02 [#01360129]
Points: 12585 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #01360125



depends on how much he wants to 'keep' his track. If he
doesn't care, then fuck it, settle for as much money as
they'll give 'em and throw it away.

If he wants to keep it and look after his creation, then he
better be smart about it.


 

offline plaster from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 20:02 [#01360131]
Points: 4173 Status: Regular



do that...i'm hoping you get what you deserve!

absorb this sponge man: i'm goin' to lalaland

cya


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:02 [#01360132]
Points: 12585 Status: Lurker | Followup to ecnadniarb: #01360116



dude, lee, i know your a dick on purpose, but I've actually
dealt with things like this before... fyi.


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:03 [#01360135]
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Dood, unless you are making music for a profession (i.e.,
it's what puts food on the table)

TAKE THE OFFER.

Who cares if it's only $100.



 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 20:04 [#01360140]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to weatheredstoner: #01360132



you know his dick on purpose?


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:04 [#01360141]
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he could get double that.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:05 [#01360143]
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he flashes it more than he should.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-10-11 20:05 [#01360144]
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yeah get a lawyer to work on a $100 contract, makes
sense...he might have enough cash for a can of pepsi for his
walk home of the lawyers office. Fucking faggots.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 20:07 [#01360149]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to ecnadniarb: #01360144



besides.. you really would need an attorney with a
specialisation in copyright anyway..


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-10-11 20:08 [#01360151]
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yeah and they are even more expensive, the fucking faggots.


 

offline DiaZoHeXagoN from The city of angels (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:09 [#01360153]
Points: 2659 Status: Lurker



well regardless of how it turns out congrats! that is an
accomplishment


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 20:09 [#01360154]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to ecnadniarb: #01360151



they know their dicks on purpose alright.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2004-10-11 20:10 [#01360155]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular



nooo! don't do it! don't sell out. it's not worth it.

i would offer them a licensing agreement, but never ever
sell the rights away. even if it took you five seconds to
make the song, you may regret it later on.

i am what you might consider a "starving artist" at the
moment and a hundred bucks is relatively a lot when you're
living off .25-cent noodles. but i would never sell the
rights away to song. it's a mistake.


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:12 [#01360156]
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"well regardless of how it turns out congrats! that is an

accomplishment "


I agree, I would be honored.

It's not about the money...unless it's what puts food on the
table.

They can't go throwing thousands of dollars around for
little songs...hell anyone can do that in the studio in
their spare time.

But to have yours chosen, I think you should sit back and be
a little bit more happy for the fact they chose your song
and heard something in it...than just trying to get an extra
buck outa them.

Maybe more people need to donate songs or something ... bleh



 

offline plaster from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 20:13 [#01360158]
Points: 4173 Status: Regular



i think you spoken wisely


 

offline plaster from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 20:14 [#01360161]
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offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:15 [#01360163]
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offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 20:16 [#01360164]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator



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offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-10-11 20:16 [#01360166]
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Hey! Shut up.


 

offline brokephones from Londontario on 2004-10-11 20:36 [#01360212]
Points: 6113 Status: Lurker | Followup to elusive: #01360156



Don't get me wrong, I couldn't be happier. But at the same
time I need to make a decision. Gonna sleep on it.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 21:09 [#01360253]
Points: 12585 Status: Lurker



well fellas, he says he knows a good lawyer, and I doubt the
guy would charge anything to give him some advice, so wtf is
everyones fucking problem? I think most of you are just
jealous because no one is offering you shit.


 

offline thecurbcreeper from United States on 2004-10-11 21:50 [#01360270]
Points: 6045 Status: Lurker



how did they hear the song?


 

offline Sanguine from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-10-11 22:01 [#01360272]
Points: 859 Status: Lurker



100$ is NOTHING

You're selling them rights to resell the song...
non-exclusive, so at least you're not losing any full
rights. But you might see that song pop up just about
anywhere they decide to sell it and you won't get a dime.

I've been offered up to 600$ for drum loops I've put
together and haven't sold a thing... so personally I'd never
do it... but... your choice mate


 


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