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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:41 [#01360074]
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I just got an offer from cbc which is the largest tv network in Canada to buy and own the rights to my song Slow Kids Cereal for 100$.
This is good and this is bad, and crap am I ever caught in a decision.
Should I sell? Not much money but could have a composition credit under my belt.
Should I keep the rights? Its my tune after all.
I would appreciate 2cents from everyone if you got em to spare.
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hobbes
from age on 2004-10-11 19:44 [#01360080]
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don't. haha say fox offered more or something...
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:45 [#01360081]
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ok,so what did they offer you besides the cash...did they tell you that you still own the track?
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:46 [#01360085]
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"Use by CBC of the Recording(s), or any part thereof on any CBC website, CBC television/radio program, CBC recording, and CBC marketing material or other paraphernalia and products related to CBC programming. CBC shall have a non-exclusive, irrevocable, unrestricted, worldwide license to: (i) use, reproduce, store, modify, make derivative works from, transmit, distribute, publicly perform or display the Recording(s) in any media for any purpose, and (ii) to sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any of the foregoing rights."
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-10-11 19:47 [#01360088]
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Is this the final price you settled on?
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:48 [#01360089]
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i see...
interresting to see em not taking the full ownership...like hobbes said...say that u got another proposition from one foreign RTV....say croatian television,lol.
imo, i would sell the track
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-10-11 19:48 [#01360090]
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$100...tell the fuckers to go and swivel. How long did it take you to produce the track? I bet they are offering you something like $5 - $10 an hour for producing music they will then own. Bullshit I say. Fucking faggots.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360091]
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it kind of depends on how Canadian copyright-laws work.
Dutch copyright laws, for example, say anything an artist makes will always stay the artistic property of that person.
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Fuckwagon
from Dallas (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360092]
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sell that shit, that's great
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360093]
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but for more money...definetly
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360094]
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This is the initial offer. First email from them expressing their interest to buy the rights. They've asked to air it on an episode once and I agreed. Now they want to own it like 5 months later.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360095]
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Do you think your song is worth only $100 ? I mean, it sounds like they will OWN IT FOREVER. Ask them for more money if you can depart with the track i suppose.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-10-11 19:50 [#01360097]
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I'd sell it, but fuck, $100? Yeah, give them a piece of your mind. What pricks.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:51 [#01360098]
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Tell them you want like 20% of all profits made of your track too. see what they say.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:52 [#01360101]
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if they agree, get a lawyer or someone who knows law to make sure the proper ammendments to the agreement so you dont get screwed legally
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:52 [#01360106]
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I made it in one night. Its hard to make a decision when at the time I was taking a piss clicking my mouse and now its turned into $100.
The 100$ is meh. Its having a composition credit under my belt that is interesting to me.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:52 [#01360107]
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..profits?
how much does a tv-programme make?
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:53 [#01360110]
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Oh Royalties. I never thought of that
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:54 [#01360112]
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..which royalties!?
they want to use it as a soundtrack to television-programmes, right?
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:55 [#01360113]
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in that case you should get an attorney and claim that they pay you every time they air the track.
it's the only way you can do something in the long run,otherwise they're ripping you off big time.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:55 [#01360115]
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its not teh TV programme, but this agreement is stating that the Channel will own it and be able to distribute it as they wish and make profit off it as they wish...
Brokephones: See what they say if you tell them that they have to pay you a certain percentage evertime they make money on the track, and that you should emailed everytime your track appears via their broadcasting.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-10-11 19:56 [#01360116]
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Look none of you are in a position to offer the fella any proper advice from a position of experience so just try to limit the damage you have already done to yourselves in appearing stupid and stop typing you gang of fucking faggots.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:58 [#01360120]
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that again wholly depends on the system of copyrighting in your country.
to take the Netherlands as an example again, each time a piece of music is played (be it on radio or tv), the artist gets paid a very small amount of money by a special organisation that exists solely to regulate this. there is no direct payment between broadcasting houses and artists.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:58 [#01360123]
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nothing without an attorney...the deals in music industry are a big scam
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:59 [#01360125]
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they clearly want to avoid exactly that kind of fuss, they want a simple buy-out, so chances are the deal will evaporate if you start making demands like that.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 20:00 [#01360126]
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yeah,those are the royalties and he must agree with this Tv to be able to get em otherwise they will earn 100 000 $ and he will only get 100 $.
thats just silly
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-10-11 20:01 [#01360128]
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I have a friend whose father is an excellent attourney. I'll see him for advice on this. Keep your thoughts coming, I will absorb them like a sponge.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:02 [#01360129]
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depends on how much he wants to 'keep' his track. If he doesn't care, then fuck it, settle for as much money as they'll give 'em and throw it away.
If he wants to keep it and look after his creation, then he better be smart about it.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 20:02 [#01360131]
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do that...i'm hoping you get what you deserve!
absorb this sponge man: i'm goin' to lalaland
cya
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:02 [#01360132]
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dude, lee, i know your a dick on purpose, but I've actually dealt with things like this before... fyi.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:03 [#01360135]
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Dood, unless you are making music for a profession (i.e., it's what puts food on the table)
TAKE THE OFFER.
Who cares if it's only $100.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 20:04 [#01360140]
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you know his dick on purpose?
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:04 [#01360141]
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he could get double that.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:05 [#01360143]
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he flashes it more than he should.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-10-11 20:05 [#01360144]
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yeah get a lawyer to work on a $100 contract, makes sense...he might have enough cash for a can of pepsi for his walk home of the lawyers office. Fucking faggots.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 20:07 [#01360149]
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besides.. you really would need an attorney with a specialisation in copyright anyway..
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-10-11 20:08 [#01360151]
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yeah and they are even more expensive, the fucking faggots.
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:09 [#01360153]
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well regardless of how it turns out congrats! that is an accomplishment
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 20:09 [#01360154]
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they know their dicks on purpose alright.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2004-10-11 20:10 [#01360155]
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nooo! don't do it! don't sell out. it's not worth it.
i would offer them a licensing agreement, but never ever sell the rights away. even if it took you five seconds to make the song, you may regret it later on.
i am what you might consider a "starving artist" at the moment and a hundred bucks is relatively a lot when you're living off .25-cent noodles. but i would never sell the rights away to song. it's a mistake.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:12 [#01360156]
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"well regardless of how it turns out congrats! that is an
accomplishment "
I agree, I would be honored.
It's not about the money...unless it's what puts food on the table.
They can't go throwing thousands of dollars around for little songs...hell anyone can do that in the studio in their spare time.
But to have yours chosen, I think you should sit back and be a little bit more happy for the fact they chose your song and heard something in it...than just trying to get an extra buck outa them.
Maybe more people need to donate songs or something ... bleh
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 20:13 [#01360158]
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i think you spoken wisely
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 20:14 [#01360161]
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:15 [#01360163]
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--> ???
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 20:16 [#01360164]
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--> ???
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-10-11 20:16 [#01360166]
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Hey! Shut up.
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-10-11 20:36 [#01360212]
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Don't get me wrong, I couldn't be happier. But at the same time I need to make a decision. Gonna sleep on it.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 21:09 [#01360253]
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well fellas, he says he knows a good lawyer, and I doubt the guy would charge anything to give him some advice, so wtf is everyones fucking problem? I think most of you are just jealous because no one is offering you shit.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-10-11 21:50 [#01360270]
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how did they hear the song?
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-10-11 22:01 [#01360272]
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100$ is NOTHING
You're selling them rights to resell the song... non-exclusive, so at least you're not losing any full rights. But you might see that song pop up just about anywhere they decide to sell it and you won't get a dime.
I've been offered up to 600$ for drum loops I've put together and haven't sold a thing... so personally I'd never do it... but... your choice mate
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