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           brokephones
             from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:41 [#01360074]
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 I just got an offer from cbc which is the  largest tv network in Canada to buy and own the rights to my  song Slow Kids Cereal for 100$.
 
  This is good and this is bad, and crap am I ever caught in a  decision. 
 
  Should I sell? Not much money but could have a composition  credit under my belt.
 
  Should I keep the rights? Its my tune after all.
  I would appreciate 2cents from everyone if you got em to  spare. 
 
  
         
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           hobbes
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don't. haha say fox offered more or something...
 
  
         
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           plaster
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ok,so what did they offer you besides the cash...did they  tell you that you still own the track?
 
 
 
  
         
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             from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:46 [#01360085]
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"Use by CBC of the Recording(s), or any part thereof on any  CBC website, CBC television/radio program, CBC recording,  and CBC marketing material or other paraphernalia and  products related to CBC programming.  CBC shall have a  non-exclusive, irrevocable, unrestricted, worldwide license  to: (i) use, reproduce, store, modify, make derivative works  from, transmit, distribute, publicly perform or display the  Recording(s) in any media for any purpose, and (ii) to  sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to  exercise any of the foregoing rights." 
 
  
         
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           mappatazee
             from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-10-11 19:47 [#01360088]
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Is this the final price you settled on?
 
  
         
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           plaster
             from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:48 [#01360089]
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i see...
  interresting to see em not taking the full ownership...like  hobbes said...say that u got another proposition from one  foreign RTV....say croatian television,lol.
 
  imo, i would sell the track
 
  
         
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           ecnadniarb
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$100...tell the fuckers to go and swivel.  How long did it  take you to produce the track?  I bet they are offering you  something like $5 - $10 an hour for producing music they  will then own.  Bullshit I say. Fucking faggots. 
 
  
         
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360091]
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it kind of depends on how Canadian copyright-laws work.
  Dutch copyright laws, for example, say anything an artist  makes will always stay the artistic property of that  person.  
 
  
         
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           Fuckwagon
             from Dallas (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360092]
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sell that shit, that's great
 
  
         
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           plaster
             from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360093]
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but for more money...definetly
 
  
         
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           brokephones
             from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360094]
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This is the initial offer. First email  from them expressing  their interest to buy the rights. They've asked to air it on  an episode once and I agreed. Now they want to own it like 5  months later. 
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:49 [#01360095]
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Do you think your song is worth only $100 ? I mean, it  sounds like they will OWN IT FOREVER. Ask them for more  money if you can depart with the track i suppose. 
 
  
         
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           mappatazee
             from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-10-11 19:50 [#01360097]
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I'd sell it, but fuck, $100?  Yeah, give them a piece of  your mind.  What pricks. 
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:51 [#01360098]
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Tell them you want like 20% of all profits made of your  track too. see what they say. 
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:52 [#01360101]
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if they agree, get a lawyer or someone who knows law to make  sure the proper ammendments to the agreement so you dont get  screwed legally 
 
  
         
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           brokephones
             from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:52 [#01360106]
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I made it in one night. Its hard to make a decision when at  the time I was taking a piss clicking my mouse and now its  turned into $100.
 
  The 100$ is meh. Its having a composition credit under my  belt that is interesting to me. 
 
  
         
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:52 [#01360107]
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..profits?
  how much does a tv-programme make?
 
  
         
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           brokephones
             from Londontario on 2004-10-11 19:53 [#01360110]
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Oh Royalties. I never thought of that
 
  
         
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:54 [#01360112]
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..which royalties!?
  they want to use it as a soundtrack to  television-programmes, right? 
 
  
         
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           plaster
             from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:55 [#01360113]
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in that case you should get an attorney and claim that they  pay you every time they air the track.
  it's the only way you can do something in the long  run,otherwise they're ripping you off big time. 
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 19:55 [#01360115]
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its not teh TV programme, but this agreement is stating that  the Channel will own it and be able to distribute it as they  wish and make profit off it as they wish...
 
  Brokephones: See what they say if you tell them that they  have to pay you a certain percentage evertime they make  money on the track, and that you should emailed everytime  your track appears via their broadcasting. 
 
  
         
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           ecnadniarb
             on 2004-10-11 19:56 [#01360116]
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Look none of you are in a position to offer the fella any  proper advice from a position of experience so just try to  limit the damage you have already done to yourselves in  appearing stupid and stop typing you gang of fucking  faggots. 
 
  
         
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:58 [#01360120]
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that again wholly depends on the system of copyrighting in  your country.
 
  to take the Netherlands as an example again, each time a  piece of music is played (be it on radio or tv), the artist  gets paid a very small amount of money by a special  organisation that exists solely to regulate this. there is  no direct payment between broadcasting houses and artists. 
 
  
         
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           plaster
             from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 19:58 [#01360123]
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nothing without an attorney...the deals in music industry  are a big scam 
 
  
         
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 19:59 [#01360125]
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they clearly want to avoid exactly that kind of fuss, they  want a simple buy-out, so chances are the deal will  evaporate if you start making demands like that. 
 
  
         
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           plaster
             from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 20:00 [#01360126]
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yeah,those are the royalties and he must agree with this Tv  to be able to get em otherwise they will earn 100 000 $ and  he will only get 100 $.
 
  thats just silly
 
  
         
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           brokephones
             from Londontario on 2004-10-11 20:01 [#01360128]
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I have a friend whose father is an excellent attourney. I'll  see him for advice on this. Keep your thoughts coming, I  will absorb them like a sponge. 
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:02 [#01360129]
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depends on how much he wants to 'keep' his track. If he  doesn't care, then fuck it, settle for as much money as  they'll give 'em and throw it away.
 
  If he wants to keep it and look after his creation, then he  better be smart about it. 
 
  
         
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           plaster
             from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 20:02 [#01360131]
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do that...i'm hoping you get what you deserve!
  absorb this sponge man: i'm goin' to lalaland
  cya
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:02 [#01360132]
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dude, lee, i know your a dick on purpose, but I've actually  dealt with things like this before... fyi.  
 
  
         
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           elusive
             from detroit (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:03 [#01360135]
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Dood, unless you are making music for a profession (i.e.,  it's what puts food on the table)
 
  TAKE THE OFFER.
  Who cares if it's only $100.
 
 
  
         
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 20:04 [#01360140]
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you know his dick on purpose?
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:04 [#01360141]
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he could get double that.
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:05 [#01360143]
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he flashes it more than he should.
 
  
         
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           ecnadniarb
             on 2004-10-11 20:05 [#01360144]
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yeah get a lawyer to work on a $100 contract, makes  sense...he might have enough cash for a can of pepsi for his  walk home of the lawyers office.  Fucking faggots. 
 
  
         
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 20:07 [#01360149]
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besides.. you really would need an attorney with a  specialisation in copyright anyway.. 
 
  
         
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           ecnadniarb
             on 2004-10-11 20:08 [#01360151]
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yeah and they are even more expensive, the fucking faggots.
 
  
         
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           DiaZoHeXagoN
             from The city of angels (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:09 [#01360153]
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well regardless of how it turns out congrats! that is an  accomplishment 
 
  
         
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 20:09 [#01360154]
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they know their dicks on purpose alright.
 
  
         
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           r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2004-10-11 20:10 [#01360155]
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nooo!  don't do it!  don't sell out.  it's not worth it.
  i would offer them a licensing agreement, but never ever  sell the rights away.  even if it took you five seconds to  make the song, you may regret it later on.
 
  i am what you might consider a "starving artist" at the  moment and a hundred bucks is relatively a lot when you're  living off .25-cent noodles.  but i would never sell the  rights away to song.  it's a mistake. 
 
  
         
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           elusive
             from detroit (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:12 [#01360156]
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"well regardless of how it turns out congrats! that is an  
  accomplishment "
  I agree, I would be honored.
  It's not about the money...unless it's what puts food on the  table.
 
  They can't go throwing thousands of dollars around for  little songs...hell anyone can do that in the studio in  their spare time.
 
  But to have yours chosen, I think you should sit back and be  a little bit more happy for the fact they chose your song  and heard something in it...than just trying to get an extra  buck outa them.
 
  Maybe more people need to donate songs or something ... bleh   
 
  
         
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           plaster
             from splitska 10 on 2004-10-11 20:13 [#01360158]
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i think you spoken wisely
 
  
         
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             from detroit (United States) on 2004-10-11 20:15 [#01360163]
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-10-11 20:16 [#01360164]
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           mappatazee
             from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-10-11 20:16 [#01360166]
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Hey!  Shut up.
 
  
         
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           brokephones
             from Londontario on 2004-10-11 20:36 [#01360212]
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Don't get me wrong, I couldn't be happier. But at the same  time I need to make a decision. Gonna sleep on it. 
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-10-11 21:09 [#01360253]
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well fellas, he says he knows a good lawyer, and I doubt the  guy would charge anything to give him some advice, so wtf is  everyones fucking problem? I think most of you are just  jealous because no one is offering you shit. 
 
  
         
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           thecurbcreeper
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how did they hear the song?
 
  
         
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           Sanguine
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-10-11 22:01 [#01360272]
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100$ is NOTHING
  You're selling them rights to resell the song...  non-exclusive, so at least you're not losing any full  rights. But you might see that song pop up just about  anywhere they decide to sell it and you won't get a dime.
 
  I've been offered up to 600$ for drum loops I've put  together and haven't sold a thing... so personally I'd never  do it... but... your choice mate 
 
  
         
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