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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-01 17:44 [#01350421]
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I'm in the mood to discuss all things metal. I've recently been getting in touch with my 8th - 9th grade roots by listening to all of my old death and grind albums. Suprisingly, I'm digging the hell out of them. A total shock was listening to Carcass's - Necroticism and totally loving it, as I didn't care for it when I was a kid.
I actually went out recently and bought a couple of metal albums. The first being Mastodon's new one (which is pretty great) and Dillilinger Escape Plan which I'm listening to for the first time right now. Bleargh
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2004-10-01 17:53 [#01350428]
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well, i listened to all my slayer albums yesterday.
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-10-01 17:55 [#01350429]
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I've been listening to Nick Drake of late. Is he metal?
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2004-10-01 17:56 [#01350431]
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Yeah ive been on a metal binch lately too. Ive been brainwashed at work cause 70% of the people there play metal all the time.
Its refreshing to listen to something really harsh sometimes.
Grindcore bands like Nasum and Napalm Death is nice. Scullfucking guitars and machinegun drums has its own special charm =)
Also ive been spining childhood heroes like Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath alot.
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2004-10-01 17:57 [#01350432]
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black sabbath did some wacky shit. they're nearly prog at times.
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2004-10-01 17:58 [#01350433]
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Yeah they must have been very "out there" at the time.
What are some good Venom ?
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-10-01 17:59 [#01350434]
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I had a bath earlier, and got some water in my left ear. Can't hear out of it properly now. The bath had Radox-induced bubbles in it.
Completely irrelevant, but true.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-10-01 18:00 [#01350435]
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I met one of Slayer one time in a hotel in amsterdam and got a promo signed! I love slayer! RAW
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-10-01 18:02 [#01350438]
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I have a Slayer badge on my wee guitar amp. I found it on a train one day. I've never listened to Slayer, but it's a nice badge shaped like a sword and that.
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2004-10-01 18:02 [#01350439]
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Stand out in the cold for a while with your water filled ear (if autum has reached scottland?) and getan ear infection.
Then stay home from work for a week. Masturbate and make music.
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-01 18:03 [#01350440]
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Hell yes! Napalm Death is great. I have Scum and Utopia Banished. I've been seriously listening to Utopia as of late even though most people don't seem to like it all that much. I'll tell you what grind band/album I really love is - (I bet no has ever heard of it) Disharmonic Orchestra's Not to Be Undimensional Consciousness (released in the US on Nuclear Blast America in like 1992). I can't find that son of a bitch on CD and I want it!
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-01 18:05 [#01350444]
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By the way, I'm totally into Dillinger Escape Plan - this being my first listen. My neighbors fucking hate me right now. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2004-10-01 18:12 [#01350450]
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Is that because of the music or because you randomly scream from time to time?
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-01 18:14 [#01350451]
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Yes, Iron Maiden is the shit. My older cousin gave me all of vinal albums in 1991 and among them was Madien's double live album "Live after Death". Holy fucking shit. I loved and hated that album - I hated it because i would never see that show. However, a few months later i was at the mall with my mom and in the Sam Goody store they had that concert on VHS cassette tape!! I begged her to get it for me, and being pretty cool, she did. Awesome. Years later, after I thought I was way to fucking cool for silly spandex metal I put that tape in one night while I was smoking grass just for a laugh - and holy shit, the music was completely amazing! Dueling harmonic guitars and Dickenson going "AEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!"
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-01 18:17 [#01350452]
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Both - why do you ask?
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2004-10-01 18:26 [#01350458]
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suicidal tendencies and nuclear assault are two bands i recently started listening to again in a throwback to my early days as a metalhead.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-10-01 18:27 [#01350460]
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ARCTURUS AGGGH HELLHAMMERRRRR UGGHG
I don't listen to metal much, but a lot of people with taste I respect listen to a lot of uberpretentious metal, and I'm interested and I've given a lot of it some test drives. Dimmu Borgir, Emperor, Tiamat, a few others... but I haven't been able to delve too deep into the genre. It's not high enough on my list of priorities, but maybe someday.
But The Sham Mirrors remains my favorite metal album of that ilk. All time, the stuff that I started out with so many years ago, I still love the most. Black Sabbath, Metallica, Judas Priest, the usual suspects.
Especially Black Sabbath, I've always been totally crazy about them and always will be. A remarkable band.
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2004-10-01 18:29 [#01350461]
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Yeah they are the shit (or where) Live after death is awesome =)
My older brother had all their albums and eps on vinyl and i used to sit and just watch the amazing artwork for hours while listening. There where so much details.
My favorite covers are "Powerslave" and "Somwhere in time" .
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2004-10-01 18:32 [#01350465]
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i really dislike dimmu borgir, although they've got some hilariously overdone lyrics, as well as a completely pretentious live show. but thats most metal.
"i sit in the shadows, tormenting a christian soul". hah.
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-01 18:35 [#01350466]
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Same here! I did eventually pick up Somewhere in Time on CD, and I love it. However, reading reviews on the net a lot of people (for some reason) slag that album. I don't get it. By the way, have you ever seen the video version of Live After Death? If not, I highly recommend it (even though I have yet to see it on DVD).
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-01 18:36 [#01350468]
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Shit, it was metal that really really got me into music to begin with. Anyone else? For me it was Metallica's Black Album. My friend one two tickets to a show in Atlanta when I was in 8th grade and I was ... reborn.
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-01 18:37 [#01350469]
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Shit, I mean "won" (as in on the local radio station)
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-10-01 18:41 [#01350475]
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Metallica had a huge effect on me as a youth... they may have been the first band I REALLY felt strongly about, certainly the first I started to build up a big collection for and spent a fortune on. Obtaining the Live Shit boxed set, that was like Christmas.
I still love them, even Load and Reload. And the rapid little drums and buzzsaw guitar on Justice still gets me goin'.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-10-01 19:14 [#01350498]
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oh man you're in for a treat. which release?
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-02 21:18 [#01351300]
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Claculating Infinity
Crazy
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idle interloper
on 2004-10-02 22:00 [#01351313]
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That ones great, as is the Mike Patton one. The new one is sort of dissapointing to me. It's like they halfway abandoned their sound. But I guess it is good that they are trying to expand.
Also, Slayer is great, but does anyone else agree that they'd be much better if they ditched the stupid guitar solos?
It usually ruins the whole doom-ish mood and gloomy timbre. It's all scary and powerful sounding one minute, and then all of a sudden it's like the guy is trying to show us how many non-fitting notes he can play in 35 seconds. I mean, can you even make any good melodies to go over those type of rhythm guitar parts anyway?
...Just my two cents. I know many of you probably don't take the whole genre too seriously, but it seems the actual band does, and it just makes it seem like even more of a joke when those fucking wank-filled solos appear in the mix.
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-02 22:13 [#01351314]
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Yeah, I used to hate guitar solos (especially after I went from being a metalhead to a punk), but looking back on it now, those solos DO have a place in some music. My absolute favorite metal soloing is Iron Maiden. Those dueling melodic guitar solos add alot to that particular sound they had. Also, Metallica's old stuff had some pretty cool solo work by Kirk.
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-02 22:17 [#01351315]
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But what I really hated when I was into Slayer and other death metal stuff was how they would try so hard to be all tough and evil looking, and then you would notice that they were wearing these really ridiculous looking white tennis shoes. Steel-toed boots are tough. White sneakers ain't.
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idle interloper
on 2004-10-02 23:25 [#01351320]
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Yes, there definitely is a place for guitar solos when done well, and in the right places, but I was just trying to make the point that with those sludgy atonal-sounding death-metal type rhythm guitar parts there rarely is any room for a solo to fit melodically in any way. It just seems like they put them in because they are supposed to, and in that type of music they usually do very little to take the song anywhere else and are really more of a display of their guitar playing speed/proficiency than anything.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-10-02 23:30 [#01351321]
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metal sucks. i cant beleive i used to be into it.
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idle interloper
on 2004-10-02 23:38 [#01351323]
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Will you say the same thing in five years about our hallowed "'idm'?
You may say "no" now, but you would've probably said "FUCK I'm gonna be a metalhead for life, Man!" back then.
But, as usual, I have no real point.
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big
from lsg on 2004-10-03 00:56 [#01351333]
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yeah, if i'd stuck to my disliking the music i liked i could have never gotten into idm and dance to klf again
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idle interloper
on 2004-10-03 01:04 [#01351336]
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Disliking the music you liked?
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big
from lsg on 2004-10-03 01:44 [#01351338]
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like, say, you liked metal and now you hate it see when i was small i liked the klf and the pet shop boys and stupid tapes with bad dance music, and then i became all, i like guitar music and dance music is stupid, and now i like dance again
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-10-03 16:48 [#01352045]
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oooooo. their best work.
and possibly one of the best albums of all time.
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-03 16:54 [#01352048]
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What's your take on their new one, should I get it?
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-10-03 17:05 [#01352068]
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it's good. some very standout tracks.
one or two tracks i don't really like at all, but for the most part it's good stuff.
i'd get it.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-10-03 17:08 [#01352073]
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oh and it's a different singer.
everything up until calculating infinity was one singer (damion i think) then the irony is a dead scene ep was a one time thing with mike patton. now it's a different guy, but he's good.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2004-10-03 18:21 [#01352089]
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oh, i respectfully disagree... i heard some of these tracks and hated them. and i really dig all their other albums, but i can't stand their new sound.
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Jocco
from Banned! Free Jocco! (United States) on 2004-10-03 19:25 [#01352116]
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Also, like idle interloper mentioned, they did sorta halfway abandon their sound. Their sound is like a mix of their old stuff and, as many people put it, Faith No More (or insert any other non-Fantomas Patton project) to an extent. The new guy, he even sounds very similar to Mike Patton, too close for a lot of people, including me. Unlike idle, I do think they implemented the 'Faith No More' sound into their own sound rather effectively (well.. not sure if this is why he was dissapointed or if it's just because of their new sound). It's not quite as chaotic, but it's still a solid release. As much as I liked Calculating Infinity, I'm also glad it's not another CI.
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-03 19:28 [#01352121]
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Noting your avatar, I saw Today is the Day at a tiny club back in 1994 or 5. I had no clue who they were and the guitarist's amp fucked up after 3 songs or so.
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-03 19:30 [#01352124]
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Fuck it, I'll probably just get it. That and an old Death or Cynic album.
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ChildrenTalking
from United States on 2004-10-03 20:26 [#01352163]
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*BITES INTO RAW MEAT WHILE BANGING HEAD TO HEAVY METALS*
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KainiIndustries
from over the roof floats billy on 2004-10-03 20:29 [#01352165]
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KainiIndustries
from over the roof floats billy on 2004-10-03 20:30 [#01352166]
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slayer
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-09 16:47 [#01357957]
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Ok, I went a little crazy today and went out and bought three old school death metal albums.
1. Carcass - "Heartwork"
2. Death - "Individual Thought Patterns" (Remember seeing the video for "The Philosopher" on Headbangers Ball back in 93? I do.)
3. Cynic - "Focus" (This one is just fucking odd)
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-09 18:52 [#01358109]
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Carcass is the shit. Who else likes them besides me yo? I've had Necroticism since it was first released in 93, but only recently have I really gotten into that record. Because of that I seeked out the follow-up album "Heartwork" today. I remember seein the video for the title track on Headbanger's Ball when I was a kid and not really digging it. Great shit this album, listening to it now. These guys are one of the best METAL bands of all time, regardless of sub-genre.
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tallyho
from Vladivostok (Russia) on 2004-10-09 19:36 [#01358130]
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yeah, Carcass's Heartwork is a brilliant album!!! absolutely love it.
i think this album is the grindcore equivalent of Ae's LP5.
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-10-09 19:39 [#01358132]
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Why is that? What do you think about Necroticism?
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tallyho
from Vladivostok (Russia) on 2004-10-09 20:01 [#01358140]
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maybe it's cause they're both melodic yet a bit celebral. but actually, it's hard to explain. i just get the same feeling while listening to these two albums.
ah, and Necroticism is excellent, too! such a perfectly flowing album. it's also my fav, along with Heartwork... i must say i've always had a weak spot for Carcass :D
their Swansong was good as well, but it's a bit more of a mainstream thing i think.
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