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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 05:40 [#01332495]
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A small source of light S is located at a distance L from a vertical wall. An opaque object with a height of h moves toward the wall with constant speed v. At time t=0, the object is located at the source S.
Find an expression for the speed v_shadow of the top of the object's shadow at time t. Express the speed of the top of the object's shadow in terms of t, v, L, and h.
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hints i got:
Hint 1. Calculate ratios of triangles Hint 2. Calculate the derivative Hint 3. Find dx/dt Hint 4. Substitute x
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this is all the info i have. ive tried entering a gazillion of formulas but the goddamn program doesnt like one of them. its supposed to be pretty simple but i HATE working off a screen, and im used to questions in dutch, not english. if anyone has the time to help me solve this id be most grateful. thanks, hugs, kisses,
Santa Claus
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2004-09-12 05:45 [#01332497]
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i done some inverse square law stuff for lighting about a year ago i could try and find some of my old notes
gimme about an hour
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 05:48 [#01332499]
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i gave 5 wrong answers so should i ever come up with the correct answer i expect my score to be negative :\
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nacmat
on 2004-09-12 05:50 [#01332500]
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I am gonna try
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2004-09-12 05:52 [#01332501]
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youre an arcitect, arent you?
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einigriv
from Tervuren (Belgium) on 2004-09-12 05:53 [#01332503]
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got it (i think), give me time to type it out
in short:
vs = - ( (h*L)/v ) * (1/t^2)
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 05:57 [#01332504]
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thats awesome!!! thanks a lot
i scored 0 points because of my previous wrong answers, but at least i can continue to the next problem.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-09-12 05:59 [#01332505]
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working with a pencil and crystal white paper sheet brings the joy that no other thing on earth could supply.
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einigriv
from Tervuren (Belgium) on 2004-09-12 06:03 [#01332506]
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ok, so for the explanation:
first we define the x- and y-axes, both start in the object S, the x-axis is directed to the right, x=0 being the place of the light object, x=L the basis of the wall. the y-axis is perpendicular to the x-axis, y=0 is the also placed on the light-object, the positive side is upwards.
for the position of the wall with height h we get:
x_wall(t) = v*t, with 0 <= t < L/v (1)
now we try to find the y-position of the shadow of the moving wall. at t=0 it will be infinite, at time L/v it will be h. this will be used further to check if we got the right formula for the position.
using the fact that we have congruent (or some like that) triangles, you can write:
x_obj/L = h/y_s
or
y_s = h*L/x_obj
and substituting (1) gives the results as expected above
y_s = h*L/(v*t)
taking the derivative to t yields the speed
v_s = -h*L/(v*t^2)
(if my derivating skills are still allright)
this is of course a negative result, but has all to do with the direction of the y-axis
damn i've got too much time on my hands
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 06:03 [#01332507]
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yeah im gonna keep my computer on for a minimum of time and just print out the problems next time. every minute the pc is on takes one point away from my IQ.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 06:06 [#01332509]
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no no thanks a lot :) that explaination is helpful too. i noticed the negative thingey
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2004-09-12 06:10 [#01332510]
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i thought you finished school last year?
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 06:11 [#01332511]
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this is for university. and because the guy who teaches physics is an american, its all in english and from a computer screen (he seems to think its MUCH EASIER to solve a problem from a screen)
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-09-12 06:12 [#01332512]
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have you met hermonia already ?
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 06:13 [#01332513]
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no but the flapkeizer keeps jerking off in public over it
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einigriv
from Tervuren (Belgium) on 2004-09-12 06:14 [#01332515]
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meh, i did it with the good old pen and paper, i hate courses given online
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-09-12 06:15 [#01332516]
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i would contact Ms Flamonna von RookSzpooken to make it stop.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 06:15 [#01332519]
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the difference between my original ramblings was only the squared t because of the derivation. shows how stupid computers make me.
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2004-09-12 06:16 [#01332520]
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you're on erasmus?
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 06:17 [#01332522]
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TU Delft.. they dont give chemical engineering and such there i think
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uzim
on 2004-09-12 06:23 [#01332524]
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this reminds me of my last high school year... i had took a scientific class with physics speciality (mostly because i didn't know what to take), i was getting marks like 3/20 and 4/20 all the time.... i had good marks in chemistry which helped me not to get a TOO awful average in physics-chemistry (it's "combined" in france), but still i didn't get shit in physics - it wasn't even complicated, i don't know why i was "blocking"....
anyway, good luck : )
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nacmat
on 2004-09-12 06:23 [#01332525]
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my brain is not what it used to be
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-09-13 05:03 [#01333442]
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I thought you were doing chemistry?
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big
from lsg on 2004-09-13 05:07 [#01333443]
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when im done with this histroy crap im gonna do physics for fun
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2004-09-13 05:43 [#01333452]
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is the answer 4?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-09-13 06:09 [#01333473]
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i only had physics in my first year...it's just not interesting to me, although i can see why some people like it.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-09-13 06:15 [#01333479]
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yeah, but youve got to understand some basic physics, thermodynamics, math etc etc stuff to understand the more complex chemical processes. them natural sciences cant be strictly seperated, its all connected :\
pogo: yeah but only for h=-2, L=2, v=1 and t=1
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