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offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 05:40 [#01332495]
Points: 16065 Status: Regular



A small source of light S is located at a distance L from a
vertical wall. An opaque object with a height of h moves
toward the wall with constant speed v. At time t=0, the
object is located at the source S.

Find an expression for the speed v_shadow of the top of the
object's shadow at time t. Express the speed of the top of
the object's shadow in terms of t, v, L, and h.

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hints i got:

Hint 1. Calculate ratios of triangles
Hint 2. Calculate the derivative
Hint 3. Find dx/dt
Hint 4. Substitute x

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this is all the info i have. ive tried entering a gazillion
of formulas but the goddamn program doesnt like one of them.
its supposed to be pretty simple but i HATE working off a
screen, and im used to questions in dutch, not english. if
anyone has the time to help me solve this id be most
grateful. thanks, hugs, kisses,

Santa Claus


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offline nobsmuggler from silly mid-off on 2004-09-12 05:45 [#01332497]
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i done some inverse square law stuff for lighting about a
year ago i could try and find some of my old notes

gimme about an hour


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 05:48 [#01332499]
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i gave 5 wrong answers so should i ever come up with the
correct answer i expect my score to be negative :\



 

offline nacmat on 2004-09-12 05:50 [#01332500]
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I am gonna try


 

offline nobsmuggler from silly mid-off on 2004-09-12 05:52 [#01332501]
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youre an arcitect, arent you?



 

offline einigriv from Tervuren (Belgium) on 2004-09-12 05:53 [#01332503]
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got it (i think), give me time to type it out

in short:

vs = - ( (h*L)/v ) * (1/t^2)


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 05:57 [#01332504]
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thats awesome!!! thanks a lot

i scored 0 points because of my previous wrong answers, but
at least i can continue to the next problem.


 

offline hyakusen from 8=============> on 2004-09-12 05:59 [#01332505]
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working with a pencil and crystal white paper sheet brings
the joy that no other thing on earth could supply.


 

offline einigriv from Tervuren (Belgium) on 2004-09-12 06:03 [#01332506]
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ok, so for the explanation:

first we define the x- and y-axes, both start in the object
S, the x-axis is directed to the right, x=0 being the place
of the light object, x=L the basis of the wall. the y-axis
is perpendicular to the x-axis, y=0 is the also placed on
the light-object, the positive side is upwards.

for the position of the wall with height h we get:

x_wall(t) = v*t, with 0 <= t < L/v (1)

now we try to find the y-position of the shadow of the
moving wall. at t=0 it will be infinite, at time L/v it will
be h. this will be used further to check if we got the right
formula for the position.

using the fact that we have congruent (or some like that)
triangles, you can write:

x_obj/L = h/y_s

or

y_s = h*L/x_obj

and substituting (1) gives the results as expected above

y_s = h*L/(v*t)

taking the derivative to t yields the speed

v_s = -h*L/(v*t^2)

(if my derivating skills are still allright)

this is of course a negative result, but has all to do with
the direction of the y-axis

damn i've got too much time on my hands


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 06:03 [#01332507]
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yeah im gonna keep my computer on for a minimum of time and
just print out the problems next time. every minute the pc
is on takes one point away from my IQ.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 06:06 [#01332509]
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no no thanks a lot :) that explaination is helpful too. i
noticed the negative thingey


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-09-12 06:10 [#01332510]
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i thought you finished school last year?


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 06:11 [#01332511]
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this is for university. and because the guy who teaches
physics is an american, its all in english and from a
computer screen (he seems to think its MUCH EASIER to solve
a problem from a screen)


 

offline hyakusen from 8=============> on 2004-09-12 06:12 [#01332512]
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have you met hermonia already ?


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 06:13 [#01332513]
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no but the flapkeizer keeps jerking off in public over it


 

offline einigriv from Tervuren (Belgium) on 2004-09-12 06:14 [#01332515]
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meh, i did it with the good old pen and paper, i hate
courses given online


 

offline hyakusen from 8=============> on 2004-09-12 06:15 [#01332516]
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i would contact Ms Flamonna von RookSzpooken to make it
stop.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 06:15 [#01332519]
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the difference between my original ramblings was only the
squared t because of the derivation. shows how stupid
computers make me.


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-09-12 06:16 [#01332520]
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you're on erasmus?


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-09-12 06:17 [#01332522]
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TU Delft.. they dont give chemical engineering and such
there i think


 

offline uzim on 2004-09-12 06:23 [#01332524]
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this reminds me of my last high school year... i had took a
scientific class with physics speciality (mostly because i
didn't know what to take), i was getting marks like 3/20 and
4/20 all the time.... i had good marks in chemistry which
helped me not to get a TOO awful average in
physics-chemistry (it's "combined" in france), but still i
didn't get shit in physics - it wasn't even complicated, i
don't know why i was "blocking"....

anyway, good luck : )


 

offline nacmat on 2004-09-12 06:23 [#01332525]
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my brain is not what it used to be


 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2004-09-13 05:03 [#01333442]
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I thought you were doing chemistry?


 

offline big from lsg on 2004-09-13 05:07 [#01333443]
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when im done with this histroy crap im gonna do physics for
fun


 

offline pOgO from behind your belly button fluff on 2004-09-13 05:43 [#01333452]
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is the answer 4?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-09-13 06:09 [#01333473]
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i only had physics in my first year...it's just not
interesting to me, although i can see why some people like
it.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-09-13 06:15 [#01333479]
Points: 16065 Status: Regular | Followup to eXXailon: #01333442



yeah, but youve got to understand some basic physics,
thermodynamics, math etc etc stuff to understand the more
complex chemical processes. them natural sciences cant be
strictly seperated, its all connected :\

pogo: yeah but only for h=-2, L=2, v=1 and t=1



 


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