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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-08-28 21:10 [#01317123]
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yes, I was bored and needed something to clear my mind
(all of this information is stuff that I have figured out myself, I haven't ever done any real research, so I am more than likely wrong in one or two area's but as far as I "know" all of this appears to be right)
I'm really bored so I decided to draw up a diagram to show how I managed to get 8 different sources working using:
old, inhereted and donated, mostly broken audio equipment a $33 4 channel mono mixer, about $50 worth of cables and plugs a $40 cd walkman from go-lo (it only need to sit still, so it works fine despite being a cheap piece of crap)
and I did all this without without any impedance problems or (too much) sound quality loss,
and not only that but I'm still able to record in full quality, and listen on headphones at full quality,
here is the diagram, below is the explanation
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first of all my main stereo with speakers takes a line in from my 4 channel mixer and takes mic in from my organ, this is turned up full ball for impedance reasons,
plugged into my $33 shitty excuse for a mixer:
channel 1 Cd player
channel 2 Main Stereo/Aux (featuring) tape player (best quality of the lot) Record player (input) Old Record player (featuring) tape player radio (triple j because it's all I can get, I want 2ser tho)
turntable with no drive (I can still make noise scratch etc..)
(input) microphone
channel 3 pc refund (for sound/video editing and games)
channel 4 pc fortress (for winamp, net stuff)
the mixer is powered, which helps impedance problems yet again, it acts as a preamp but because I'm combing two channels per input (that makes 8 all up) it's effectively gotten to the point where I might as well have no power going through it (the load on it is in fact so much that without power I can't hear a thing, and if I could it would be so distorted it could break speakers!)
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-08-28 21:12 [#01317124]
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everything is stereo right up until the point that it reaches my mixer, I used plugs to combine both stereo channels into the one mono channel (so that I don't just get the left side and miss out on the sounds coming from the right side)
so if I want to record something at full stereo, full power (no impedance problems and therefore quality loss) I simply unplug the channel fropm my mixer, and plug it into the Rec. input on my computer, or my headphones
(stereo isn't important to me when listening to speakers, but it is if I'm listening on headphones because i can really tell the difference)
the tape recorder serves it's purpose only to record the radio in mono, (it took some tricky cord manipulation and pluf use to get both channels working, the tape player itself is designed to record in stereo) when I need to record I simply plug it into the Main record/Aux Stereo and fire away
I could also record me singing or scracthing over the top if I wanted to
(of course I could record all of this directly onto my computer anyway with far less quality loss, but tape is better for some things and i'm not an audiophile so the sound quality does bother me *that* much)
I can also tape tapes playing on the main record/aux stereo, which I will use to make copies of the oxygenfad mix tape to distribute with future killbot records releases as an extra (or so it is planned ^^)
anybody that uses a car tape deck can expect a mix tape from me if so requested,
the only record player that I don't have plugged in (it's powered, but the sound isn't plugged in) has a brush cleaner thingy that sits over the record and cleans it as it plays, I use it to clean my record before i play them (it only takes about a minute and does it all autmoatically)
"how on earth does all of this work when the only 'line in' used is going directly to the stereo with the speakers itself"
you ask?
(cont...)
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-08-28 21:12 [#01317125]
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Basically I balance the volume so that it is the loudest coming from the output and quetest at the source, this way i never actually reach the cutoff and it's well and truly at full volume by the time it reaches the output, this picture explains a lot better than I can
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blobula
from BElgraDe on 2004-08-29 04:35 [#01317190]
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graet! give us some sounds! what do you record from the radio?
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-08-29 04:51 [#01317194]
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please gimme a summary of the use of this contraption in 2 lines. ive read bits of that story and i dont get the point
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-08-29 05:36 [#01317204]
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I spent only $120 total on audio gear and I have an effective 'studio' that can do just about anything, ( despite having to work with broken/shit gear)
the diagrams make the whole thing make sense
I was just really bored
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-08-29 05:52 [#01317205]
Points: 16065 Status: Regular | Followup to Refund: #01317204
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okay so you wanted to make a studio
ive seen that schematic
you should use a lot of cheap radios as input and twiddle the knobs, its awesome
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-08-29 06:15 [#01317213]
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I got an old radio that support shortwave radio (it's used in a lot of old sci fi movies to emulate teh sounds of 'alien signals') it sounds wicked for just fucking around with :D
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-08-29 06:18 [#01317214]
Points: 7824 Status: Lurker | Followup to blobula: #01317190
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wahtever station I happen across that is interesting
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uzim
on 2004-08-29 06:44 [#01317223]
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you seem to have skills! = )
i'm going to have an amp and a cd player in a few days (if all goes well), i don't even know if i'll be able to connect this stuff right...
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-08-29 06:52 [#01317227]
Points: 16065 Status: Regular | Followup to uzim: #01317223
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come on thats the easiest thing ever :) just make sure you always connect the same wires on your amp/speakers. like connect the red to the red of the left speaker. ah well everyone else can help you if it fails
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uzim
on 2004-08-29 07:05 [#01317233]
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i won't have speakers actually
just hi-fi headphones
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-08-29 07:34 [#01317241]
Points: 7824 Status: Lurker | Followup to uzim: #01317223
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it's failry self explanatory, unless you're missing cables of course
and it doesn't even matter if you mix up white with red, it just won't be playing the sound on the right sides
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-08-29 11:31 [#01317347]
Points: 16065 Status: Regular | Followup to Refund: #01317241
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i meant speaker wiring
but he doesnt have teh speakzors
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2004-08-30 02:36 [#01317830]
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congratulations ! i broke my tweeters so for now i'm using lighter speakers plugged in the rec output from mmy mixer, filterd just enough to leave the bass to the big ones, each pair with his own amp, i never heard so many phase problems and a so wrong stereo image but it's fun to hear wathever sound is coming from the speaker, moving around and being modulated to death by this highly un-effective monitoring system, it can even lure you into thinking you have a revrb unit on your synth....
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-08-30 13:21 [#01318340]
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do you think maybe that the rec output has a longer delay than the normal output?
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-08-31 07:29 [#01318969]
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im doin a refund too.. ive moved the good pc to my room.. tought this was a good time to sort out my wires and stuff
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-08-31 07:30 [#01318971]
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i wanted to connect my hifi set AND my pc speakers to the computer... okay its not as big as refunds setup but it kept me busy
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-08-31 07:30 [#01318972]
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yeah: thats a cookie jar.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-08-31 07:31 [#01318975]
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somehow it needs a preamp so im using my cassette deck for that.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-08-31 07:32 [#01318976]
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well ive had fun. bye now.
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-08-31 08:15 [#01319006]
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:D
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