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troubleworks
from Moscow (Russia) on 2004-08-24 12:31 [#01313317]
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I've been observing the sonographic display of various music compositions, and sometimes there was this one detail to be found that I couldn't explain nor understand:
up-to-down symmetry.
Like if there was a line, after which the pattern was getting mirrored up.
What is it? A trick to enhance the high frequency component? A distortion of some sort?
Context-close example: first seconds of Autechre's Gantz Graf, mirror line @ ~14800 Hz.
I've also seen the effect showing much more - on a sample of my own production, which had its sampling frequency forcefully reduced by about eight times with no antialiasing filter involved (done by Logic's “bitcrusher”). There I saw multiple evenly mirrored copies of one block repeating vertically.
Why, why, why?
Then, there are some tracks in which the frequency range is truncated at frequency [x], with the very frequency [x] present rather brightly, resembling a cut border.
Is there an explanation for this, too?
I could make packs of screenshots, but I'm too lazy. I hope you people understand my babble clear enough :)
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2004-08-24 12:54 [#01313344]
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what is a sonographic display?
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troubleworks
from Moscow (Russia) on 2004-08-24 13:07 [#01313350]
Points: 115 Status: Addict | Followup to r40f: #01313344
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Spectrogram.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2004-08-24 14:35 [#01313409]
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oh, right - i didn't know the correct term for that.
i wish i knew how to answer your questions, but i'm not sure i understand them, and besides, i'm just not knowledgeable enough to get into such technical details. sorry.
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gnocelot
from Greifswald (Germany) on 2004-08-24 15:24 [#01313446]
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This really doesn't have anything to do with mastering, you know. Just the way spectrograms look.
One - that's simply what the spectrum of a signal looks like if the sample rate is "reduced" that way. If you want to know exactly why, go learn Fourier analysis.
Two - you've made music and you've never come across a lowpass filter? They're called that because only low frequencies pass through unharmed, so to speak, "low" usually meaning "below a certain frequency". Filters used for music tend to also have a resoannce parameter of some sort, which basically means that you can additionally make the cutoff frequency louder. The magnitude response will typically be something like this, hence the way a filtered signal looks in a spectrogram. (imagine that graph as representing the brightness of a vertical line in one)
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-08-24 20:41 [#01313736]
Points: 12585 Status: Lurker | Followup to troubleworks: #01313317
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I think I might be able to help, but I really need a picture with a big arrow pointing at what your absolutely talking about. I'm a visual person.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-08-24 22:29 [#01313759]
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the user 'sanguine' seems to start random mastering tips topics here. he may be of some help.
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Chris Ochre
on 2004-08-25 06:45 [#01313982]
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It looks like you're seeing aliasing in action: you get the normal frequency, plus the second (an alias) higher up, as a result of sample-rate-reduction or poor oscillator rendering, hence the name.
That's my guess anyway.
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big
from lsg on 2004-08-25 06:47 [#01313985]
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so mastering is like fine tuning mixing right?
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dingle berry
from on a small plastic chair breat (Haiti) on 2004-08-25 06:50 [#01313992]
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?
have a look in the sound on sound reviews or questions and answers!
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troubleworks
from Moscow (Russia) on 2004-08-25 19:05 [#01314489]
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Thank you a lot guys, you two were really helpful :)
And of course, I'm familiar with lowpass filtering, I just didn't really know if resonance was a function of the filtering algorythm or a fancy effect added manually (that would be kind of silly).
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