The universe is a tale told by an idiot. | xltronic messageboard
 
You are not logged in!

F.A.Q
Log in

Register
  
 
  
 
Now online (1)
big
...and 418 guests

Last 5 registered
Oplandisks
nothingstar
N_loop
yipe
foxtrotromeo

Browse members...
  
 
Members 8025
Messages 2614125
Today 4
Topics 127542
  
 
Messageboard index
The universe is a tale told by an idiot.
 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 22:27 [#01285501]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular



Could, for example, a form of life evolve in whose mental
map time's arrow went backwards, or in no specific
direction?


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 22:29 [#01285505]
Points: 14867 Status: Regular



The amount of sense that post makes certainly leads me to
believe that such a creature exists.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-07-24 22:35 [#01285511]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to w M w: #01285501



time is a property of the universe, it's our perception of
it that's subjective.

it's possible i suppose, i mean drugs have fucked with my
perception of time pretty hardcore, but me thinks an
orgainism with an extremely fucked up "mental map" of time
would probably be eliminated from the gene pool pretty
quickly.


 

offline Dozier from United States on 2004-07-24 22:39 [#01285514]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker



only if the organic substance of said being's mental map was
composed in some part of sub-atomic particles that could
travel faster than light.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 22:44 [#01285516]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular



Now, everyone who replied pretend you have not replied yet
and spend an equal amount of thought and time on a new one
that is unique relative to your first. (I liked reading
these ones but wonder if there are some potentially
interesting replies that have been stiffled by the fact that
you have already replied). Now begin! One Two Five Basket
swish around triple beak zaunce.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 22:49 [#01285517]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular



When you hear voices, do they have panning? I just heard a
voice say "I love you" in my right ear and another say "I
hate you" in my left ear at the same time.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-07-24 22:50 [#01285518]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



of course it's possible!

the nature of the universe is infinite possibility, infinite
diversity. this means that it's impossible that an
orgainism such as this does not exist.


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2004-07-24 22:51 [#01285519]
Points: 8984 Status: Lurker



Words fail to explain why I find this hilarious.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 22:52 [#01285520]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular



My patented self-eating-breakfast.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-07-24 22:58 [#01285522]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



i stumped my toe this afternoon and it broke my big
toenail.

the crack in the nail extended far enough back that it was
tearing into the live part of my toe. i cut the nail, but
it still hurts.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2004-07-24 22:59 [#01285523]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to w M w: #01285520



have you written a book yet?


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 22:59 [#01285524]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular



A major theme for "humor" perhaps is seeing how false
someone's sense of reality is. That is why baron von
picklefoot is funny when he argues with mailboxes about who
stole his toothbrush.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-07-24 23:02 [#01285525]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



the unexpected is funny.

when you expect randomness it ceases to be funny.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 23:06 [#01285527]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular



An evil creature that can only survive by eating tears, so
it tries to make you cry.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-07-24 23:11 [#01285530]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to w M w: #01285527



nice.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 23:22 [#01285532]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular | Followup to r40f: #01285523



Creating an entire new medium for artistic expression is
difficult because innovation works by gradual modification
of what already exists. After the cultural evolution has
come relatively firmly into place, it can then be easily
imitated by others. That is why we are all putz who make
music, because someone else has done it. Would making music
make any sense at all if it had no cultural lineage? The
illusion that it is NOT a complete waste of time and effort
is amplified by the fact that many others have taken part in
it, when in fact they have all been hosts to a selfish
replicating meme. I hope this does not answer your question.
And indeed, g*suddenly gets eaten by a yak*


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 23:33 [#01285533]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular



Wnehever I look at tne xltrohic wolfmah, I feel like we're
sharihg ah ihtimate joke..


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 23:35 [#01285534]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular



at = ihto tne eyes of


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2004-07-25 00:09 [#01285543]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular



that is a good point, but it doesn't get to the core of why
art exists. it's more than inherited tradition. it is a
critical factor in the constant progression of humanity on
many levels and serves as a reflection of who we are. and
not only that, it makes day to day life infinitely better,
if only on an aesthetic level. art is an unavoidable aspect
of the human condition.

ps - "After the cultural evolution has come relatively
firmly into place" is a contradiction, but i think you knew
that.

but all that aside, i seriously want to buy an autographed
edition of your first book.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 00:41 [#01285551]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to epohs: #01285518



from what I've read, the universe is not, as we thought,
infinite.

scientists have calculated how many objects the universe
contains, approximately. it is a lot, but not infinite.


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-25 01:25 [#01285561]
Points: 4570 Status: Lurker | Followup to epohs: #01285518



An argument can be made that the universe itself may be
infinite (though it's unlikely), but the idea that there
must also exist an infinite number of organisms within the
universe is nonsense. After all, for that to be true there
must exist an organism as big as the universe itself, which
quite clearly there isn't.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-07-25 01:46 [#01285567]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker



I don't think any scientists consider the universe to be
infinite


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-25 01:54 [#01285572]
Points: 4570 Status: Lurker | Followup to mappatazee: #01285567



You would be wrong on that point.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-07-25 02:03 [#01285574]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker | Followup to danbrusca: #01285572



K, show me where please.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 02:08 [#01285575]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator



N E R D F I G H T !!!!!!!!!


Attached picture

 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-07-25 02:18 [#01285579]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker



Verse 1
I'm a disciple of science
I know the universe is compliance with natural laws,
but many place reliance on the psuedo-science of quacks and
morons and fools because,
their educations deficient,
they put faith in omniscient,
make believe beings who control their fate,
but the Hawk aint with it, dig it,
their Holy writ aint the least bit legit,
its a bunch of bullshit.

They need to read a book that ain't so damn old old,
let reason take hold,
though truth to be told,
they're probably already too far gone,
withdrawn, the conclusion foregone.
But maybe there is still hope for the young,
if they reject the dung being slung from the tongues,
of the ignorant fools who call themselves preachers,
and listen instead to their science teachers.

Chorus
Upon blind faith they place reliance,
what we need more of is science!

Trash Talk
Uh yeah, that's right!
Fundamentalist assholes!
Screw the hole lot of them.

Verse 2
Look, I ain't thomas Dolby,
science doesn't blind me,
think you're smart? Form a line behind me,
you won't find me, truth to tell,
to be a man who suffers fools very well.
Quite the opposite in fact,
I aint got time to interact,
with crystal wearing freaks in need of a smack.
New age motherfuckers? Don't get me started,
I made more sense than them, last time I farted.

Not to put too fine a point upon it,
but the whole new age movement is full of shit.
Please allow me to elaborate,
explicate, expatiate.
from astral projection to zygomancy its a,
mish mash of idiocy.
Instead of the archaic worship of seasons,
they should explore logic and reason.

Chorus

Trash Talk
Fucking new-agers!
Is there any amount of bullshit they won't swallow?
It's two-thousand-aught-three goddammit!
When are these morons gonna join us in the 21st century?



Attached picture

 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-07-25 02:24 [#01285582]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker



UFT For The MC
Trash Talk
Right now!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Verse 1
I am a scientist.
I am a physicist.
I know what I want, and I know how to get it,
I want to unlock the universe.

Chorus
Yes, I want a unified field theory.
It's the only one for me.

Verse 2
A unified field theory,
it's coming some day wait and see.
A theory to combine electromagnetivity,
with the weak and strong forces and gravity.

Chorus
Yes, I want a unified field theory.
Not Newtonian gravity.

Verse 3
Einstein tried, but he couldn't see,
the random state of the galaxies.
But quantum theory will be key,
to a unified field theory.

Chorus
Yes, I want a unified field theory.
Not relativity.

Verse 4
Right now the best bet seems to be,
the work being done in M-Theory.
Time will tell but I guarantee,
they ain't gonna find it at MIT.

Chorus
The institute won't beat me.
Ain't gonna happen G.

Outro
Cause, I want a unified field theory.
Yes, I want a unified field theory.
You know what I mean?
Yes, I want a unified field theory.
And a Nobel prize for me.

O yeah!
Uhh!



Attached picture

 

offline od_step_cloak from Pleth (Australia) on 2004-07-25 02:33 [#01285583]
Points: 3803 Status: Regular



no


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-25 03:10 [#01285590]
Points: 4570 Status: Lurker | Followup to mappatazee: #01285574



On reflection, I probably should have said that there are
scientists who believe that the universe may be
infinite. I am sure there are some who do believe it
is infinite though, there are scientists who believe in all
kinds of crazy theories - the existence of god for
instance.

It is theoretically possible that the universe is infinite
and this is best summed up in a quote from James Sweitzer,
director of astrophysics education at the American Museum of
Natural History's Rose Center for Earth and Space (according
to space.com).

"Sweitzer goes on to say that the observable universe is
probably part of a much larger universe, "which could be
finite or infinite. Any global statements about the
universe, such as overall extent, are speculative because
they require extrapolating local mathematical theories and
measurements beyond the observable universe.""



 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-07-25 05:13 [#01285625]
Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag



I know how to bake bread, though.


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-25 05:56 [#01285640]
Points: 4570 Status: Lurker



I know enough about baking bread to know it's much simpler
just to buy it instead.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-07-25 08:26 [#01285708]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



heehee.

i was simply spending an equal amount of thought and time on
a new post that was unique relative to my first.

nierds. :)


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 08:41 [#01285721]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to epohs: #01285708



yeah, right!!

nobody believes you, Shope!


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-07-25 08:53 [#01285726]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



 


Attached picture

 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-07-25 08:54 [#01285727]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



 


Attached picture

 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-07-25 08:55 [#01285729]
Points: 11512 Status: Lurker



I'll always remember him for his role in Natural Born
Killers.


 

offline Dozier from United States on 2004-07-25 09:39 [#01285764]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker | Followup to danbrusca: #01285561



After all, for that to be true there must exist an
organism as big as the universe itself, which quite clearly
there isn't.


i wonder what keeps us from thinking that a planet, or a
solar system, or the universe is 'alive'. innumerable parts
and processes that keep the entire thing in a state of
constant activity and change. and parts can expire, such as
stars and planets, just as our own cells die. and, some
believe, it's a possibility that the universe itself could
die (cool down).

if you are starting at the point of believing that humans
and other organisms are simply complex arrangements of
physical compounds then i don't think i see the difference.
of course, this isn't what i necessarily believe, it's just
been somethng i've been thinking about lately.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-07-25 11:06 [#01285821]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker | Followup to Dozier: #01285764



they don't reproduce?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 11:42 [#01285840]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to mappatazee: #01285821



kind of hard to see if you're on the inside.. (maybe
luckily)


 

offline Dozier from United States on 2004-07-25 12:17 [#01285895]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker | Followup to mappatazee: #01285821



we've decided that a very specific type of reproduction is
necessary to qualify something as living, but that doesn't
mean it's right or even makes a lot of sense necessarily.
i'm talking about thinking outside the box here. we like to
define things, which essentially means to place
restrictions, which is helpful for many things, but maybe
that's not always the best way to look at things, especially
when you're talking about a difference of scale.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-07-25 12:19 [#01285899]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker



yeah, yeah

analogy; what does an ant understand about an interstate
highway? it probably doesn't even recognize it's existance.


 

offline Dozier from United States on 2004-07-25 12:24 [#01285906]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker



i know, and it seems like it lacks any substance, but the
point is that sometimes saying something is obvious or
self-evident really just means you can't use your
imagination. it doesn't prove anything, of course, but it
also tries not to rule anything out. it's all really a moot
point anyway, perhaps, as it's not like there is a universal
truth, just perception (if you believe that kind of thing).


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 12:45 [#01285932]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to Dozier: #01285906



universal truth.

ha ha.




*sigh*

party at the nerdfest.


 

offline Dozier from United States on 2004-07-25 12:55 [#01285944]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #01285932



who pissed in your cornflakes? and if you're going to bother
commenting, maybe you'd like to make a point or some other
contribution rather than just boosting your self-esteem? at
the very least you could tell me what you find so funny so i
know where you're coming from.


 

offline Q4Z2X on 2004-07-25 12:58 [#01285948]
Points: 5264 Status: Lurker | Followup to danbrusca: #01285590



i don't think there is an infinite amount of matter, but i
think there may very likely be an infinite amount of empty
space.. it would be impossible to describe how everything,
or that space could have an ending.. a circular brick
wall? "then what is on the other side, blah, blah, blah.. "
or, everything all just sort of "curves" into itself
somehow.. if that was the case it still would, in a way, be
infinite because you could go travel infinitely in one given
direction, and by the time you reached the same "point" it
would be something different.. like, one's living room may
become the location of a black hole or something by the time
one was to reach it again after travelling the whole
universe in one direction, in a huge "loop"..

but then again, what exactly is direction? if there was a
time before the "big bang" where all matter, or whatever,
was constricted into one single point in space, would there
then be such a thing as direction? you could move
away from it, but, up, down, left, right, etc., would
have no relevance.. so if that "bang" really happened.. what
difference does it make if there's a bunch of space in
between most everything now? i mean, it gives us a way of
relating the location of ourselves to everything else, but
it just means that we are in a bit different set of
"confines" now..

ah.. i don't know what the hell i'm trying to say..



 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 13:01 [#01285954]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to Dozier: #01285944



oh BOOH don't be such an Offended Betsy..!

you're talking about the nature of the universe and you
mention "universal truth" - GET IT? GET IT!??? HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA!!


 

offline Dozier from United States on 2004-07-25 13:04 [#01285957]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker



i was watching a show on PBS and the physicists were trying
to explain how the general perception of the big bang, i.e.
all the matter and energy in the universe being infinitely
compressed into a single point, is not really the correct
way of looking at it, though they really sucked at
explaining what the correct way was.

also, i think currently, it's undertood that "empty space"
doesn't really exist. that there are particles constantly
popping in and out of existence out of the vacuum. so that
kind of changes how you can define the size of the universe,
and things of that nature. however, all these things are
just models, really, they aren't true representations of
what's really going on.


 

offline Dozier from United States on 2004-07-25 13:06 [#01285958]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #01285954



oh. heh.

sorry if i jumped on your back.





 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 13:12 [#01285965]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to Dozier: #01285958



:)


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-25 13:26 [#01285992]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular



I was thinking how time can actually be measure by geometric
distance. For example, the time between noon and midnight is
the distance of a point on earth traveling 1/2 way around
its circumference.

Also, if there is a stationary object "x", and a giant gas
"y" moving west at the speed of light, and an object "z" IN
that gas moving west at the speed of light, then relative to
x, z is moving 2X the speed of light. actually if x was
moving east at the speed of light, it's be 3X.

I wonder is space is "something" or "nothing", and if it's
something, I wonder if true nothing is beyond it, like
something that no god has yet imagined yet or something.

Also, if space is "nothing", then the mere fact that light
can travel through it from the sun and reach earth implies
that light is matter that is moving... because if it was
just some sort of wave or something, space has nothing TO
wave, which should thus preventing it from traveling.


 


Messageboard index