|
|
w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 22:27 [#01285501]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular
|
|
Could, for example, a form of life evolve in whose mental map time's arrow went backwards, or in no specific direction?
|
|
horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 22:29 [#01285505]
Points: 14867 Status: Regular
|
|
The amount of sense that post makes certainly leads me to believe that such a creature exists.
|
|
epohs
from )C: on 2004-07-24 22:35 [#01285511]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to w M w: #01285501
|
|
time is a property of the universe, it's our perception of it that's subjective.
it's possible i suppose, i mean drugs have fucked with my perception of time pretty hardcore, but me thinks an orgainism with an extremely fucked up "mental map" of time would probably be eliminated from the gene pool pretty quickly.
|
|
Dozier
from United States on 2004-07-24 22:39 [#01285514]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker
|
|
only if the organic substance of said being's mental map was composed in some part of sub-atomic particles that could travel faster than light.
|
|
w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 22:44 [#01285516]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular
|
|
Now, everyone who replied pretend you have not replied yet and spend an equal amount of thought and time on a new one that is unique relative to your first. (I liked reading these ones but wonder if there are some potentially interesting replies that have been stiffled by the fact that you have already replied). Now begin! One Two Five Basket swish around triple beak zaunce.
|
|
w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 22:49 [#01285517]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular
|
|
When you hear voices, do they have panning? I just heard a voice say "I love you" in my right ear and another say "I hate you" in my left ear at the same time.
|
|
epohs
from )C: on 2004-07-24 22:50 [#01285518]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
|
|
of course it's possible!
the nature of the universe is infinite possibility, infinite diversity. this means that it's impossible that an orgainism such as this does not exist.
|
|
pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2004-07-24 22:51 [#01285519]
Points: 8984 Status: Lurker
|
|
Words fail to explain why I find this hilarious.
|
|
w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 22:52 [#01285520]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular
|
|
My patented self-eating-breakfast.
|
|
epohs
from )C: on 2004-07-24 22:58 [#01285522]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
|
|
i stumped my toe this afternoon and it broke my big toenail.
the crack in the nail extended far enough back that it was tearing into the live part of my toe. i cut the nail, but it still hurts.
|
|
r40f
from qrters tea party on 2004-07-24 22:59 [#01285523]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to w M w: #01285520
|
|
have you written a book yet?
|
|
w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 22:59 [#01285524]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular
|
|
A major theme for "humor" perhaps is seeing how false someone's sense of reality is. That is why baron von picklefoot is funny when he argues with mailboxes about who stole his toothbrush.
|
|
epohs
from )C: on 2004-07-24 23:02 [#01285525]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
|
|
the unexpected is funny.
when you expect randomness it ceases to be funny.
|
|
w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 23:06 [#01285527]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular
|
|
An evil creature that can only survive by eating tears, so it tries to make you cry.
|
|
epohs
from )C: on 2004-07-24 23:11 [#01285530]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to w M w: #01285527
|
|
nice.
|
|
w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 23:22 [#01285532]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular | Followup to r40f: #01285523
|
|
Creating an entire new medium for artistic expression is difficult because innovation works by gradual modification of what already exists. After the cultural evolution has come relatively firmly into place, it can then be easily imitated by others. That is why we are all putz who make music, because someone else has done it. Would making music make any sense at all if it had no cultural lineage? The illusion that it is NOT a complete waste of time and effort is amplified by the fact that many others have taken part in it, when in fact they have all been hosts to a selfish replicating meme. I hope this does not answer your question. And indeed, g*suddenly gets eaten by a yak*
|
|
w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 23:33 [#01285533]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular
|
|
Wnehever I look at tne xltrohic wolfmah, I feel like we're sharihg ah ihtimate joke..
|
|
w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-24 23:35 [#01285534]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular
|
|
at = ihto tne eyes of
|
|
r40f
from qrters tea party on 2004-07-25 00:09 [#01285543]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular
|
|
that is a good point, but it doesn't get to the core of why art exists. it's more than inherited tradition. it is a critical factor in the constant progression of humanity on many levels and serves as a reflection of who we are. and not only that, it makes day to day life infinitely better, if only on an aesthetic level. art is an unavoidable aspect of the human condition.
ps - "After the cultural evolution has come relatively firmly into place" is a contradiction, but i think you knew that.
but all that aside, i seriously want to buy an autographed edition of your first book.
|
|
qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 00:41 [#01285551]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to epohs: #01285518
|
|
from what I've read, the universe is not, as we thought, infinite.
scientists have calculated how many objects the universe contains, approximately. it is a lot, but not infinite.
|
|
danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-25 01:25 [#01285561]
Points: 4570 Status: Lurker | Followup to epohs: #01285518
|
|
An argument can be made that the universe itself may be infinite (though it's unlikely), but the idea that there must also exist an infinite number of organisms within the universe is nonsense. After all, for that to be true there must exist an organism as big as the universe itself, which quite clearly there isn't.
|
|
mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-07-25 01:46 [#01285567]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker
|
|
I don't think any scientists consider the universe to be infinite
|
|
danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-25 01:54 [#01285572]
Points: 4570 Status: Lurker | Followup to mappatazee: #01285567
|
|
You would be wrong on that point.
|
|
mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-07-25 02:03 [#01285574]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker | Followup to danbrusca: #01285572
|
|
K, show me where please.
|
|
qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 02:08 [#01285575]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator
|
|
N E R D F I G H T !!!!!!!!!
|
| Attached picture |
|
|
|
mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-07-25 02:18 [#01285579]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker
|
|
Verse 1 I'm a disciple of science I know the universe is compliance with natural laws, but many place reliance on the psuedo-science of quacks and morons and fools because, their educations deficient, they put faith in omniscient, make believe beings who control their fate, but the Hawk aint with it, dig it, their Holy writ aint the least bit legit, its a bunch of bullshit.
They need to read a book that ain't so damn old old, let reason take hold, though truth to be told, they're probably already too far gone, withdrawn, the conclusion foregone. But maybe there is still hope for the young, if they reject the dung being slung from the tongues, of the ignorant fools who call themselves preachers, and listen instead to their science teachers.
Chorus Upon blind faith they place reliance, what we need more of is science!
Trash Talk Uh yeah, that's right! Fundamentalist assholes! Screw the hole lot of them.
Verse 2 Look, I ain't thomas Dolby, science doesn't blind me, think you're smart? Form a line behind me, you won't find me, truth to tell, to be a man who suffers fools very well. Quite the opposite in fact, I aint got time to interact, with crystal wearing freaks in need of a smack. New age motherfuckers? Don't get me started, I made more sense than them, last time I farted.
Not to put too fine a point upon it, but the whole new age movement is full of shit. Please allow me to elaborate, explicate, expatiate. from astral projection to zygomancy its a, mish mash of idiocy. Instead of the archaic worship of seasons, they should explore logic and reason.
Chorus
Trash Talk Fucking new-agers! Is there any amount of bullshit they won't swallow? It's two-thousand-aught-three goddammit! When are these morons gonna join us in the 21st century?
|
| Attached picture |
|
|
|
mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-07-25 02:24 [#01285582]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker
|
|
UFT For The MC Trash Talk Right now! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Verse 1 I am a scientist. I am a physicist. I know what I want, and I know how to get it, I want to unlock the universe.
Chorus Yes, I want a unified field theory. It's the only one for me.
Verse 2 A unified field theory, it's coming some day wait and see. A theory to combine electromagnetivity, with the weak and strong forces and gravity.
Chorus Yes, I want a unified field theory. Not Newtonian gravity.
Verse 3 Einstein tried, but he couldn't see, the random state of the galaxies. But quantum theory will be key, to a unified field theory.
Chorus Yes, I want a unified field theory. Not relativity.
Verse 4 Right now the best bet seems to be, the work being done in M-Theory. Time will tell but I guarantee, they ain't gonna find it at MIT.
Chorus The institute won't beat me. Ain't gonna happen G.
Outro Cause, I want a unified field theory. Yes, I want a unified field theory. You know what I mean? Yes, I want a unified field theory. And a Nobel prize for me.
O yeah! Uhh!
|
| Attached picture |
|
|
|
od_step_cloak
from Pleth (Australia) on 2004-07-25 02:33 [#01285583]
Points: 3803 Status: Regular
|
|
no
|
|
danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-25 03:10 [#01285590]
Points: 4570 Status: Lurker | Followup to mappatazee: #01285574
|
|
On reflection, I probably should have said that there are scientists who believe that the universe may be infinite. I am sure there are some who do believe it is infinite though, there are scientists who believe in all kinds of crazy theories - the existence of god for instance.
It is theoretically possible that the universe is infinite and this is best summed up in a quote from James Sweitzer, director of astrophysics education at the American Museum of Natural History's Rose Center for Earth and Space (according to space.com).
"Sweitzer goes on to say that the observable universe is probably part of a much larger universe, "which could be finite or infinite. Any global statements about the universe, such as overall extent, are speculative because they require extrapolating local mathematical theories and measurements beyond the observable universe.""
|
|
Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-07-25 05:13 [#01285625]
Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
|
|
I know how to bake bread, though.
|
|
danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-25 05:56 [#01285640]
Points: 4570 Status: Lurker
|
|
I know enough about baking bread to know it's much simpler just to buy it instead.
|
|
epohs
from )C: on 2004-07-25 08:26 [#01285708]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
|
|
heehee.
i was simply spending an equal amount of thought and time on a new post that was unique relative to my first.
nierds. :)
|
|
qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 08:41 [#01285721]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to epohs: #01285708
|
|
yeah, right!!
nobody believes you, Shope!
|
|
epohs
from )C: on 2004-07-25 08:53 [#01285726]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
|
|
|
| Attached picture |
|
|
|
epohs
from )C: on 2004-07-25 08:54 [#01285727]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
|
|
|
| Attached picture |
|
|
|
DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-07-25 08:55 [#01285729]
Points: 11512 Status: Lurker
|
|
I'll always remember him for his role in Natural Born Killers.
|
|
Dozier
from United States on 2004-07-25 09:39 [#01285764]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker | Followup to danbrusca: #01285561
|
|
After all, for that to be true there must exist an organism as big as the universe itself, which quite clearly there isn't.
i wonder what keeps us from thinking that a planet, or a solar system, or the universe is 'alive'. innumerable parts and processes that keep the entire thing in a state of constant activity and change. and parts can expire, such as stars and planets, just as our own cells die. and, some believe, it's a possibility that the universe itself could die (cool down).
if you are starting at the point of believing that humans and other organisms are simply complex arrangements of physical compounds then i don't think i see the difference. of course, this isn't what i necessarily believe, it's just been somethng i've been thinking about lately.
|
|
mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-07-25 11:06 [#01285821]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker | Followup to Dozier: #01285764
|
|
they don't reproduce?
|
|
qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 11:42 [#01285840]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to mappatazee: #01285821
|
|
kind of hard to see if you're on the inside.. (maybe luckily)
|
|
Dozier
from United States on 2004-07-25 12:17 [#01285895]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker | Followup to mappatazee: #01285821
|
|
we've decided that a very specific type of reproduction is necessary to qualify something as living, but that doesn't mean it's right or even makes a lot of sense necessarily. i'm talking about thinking outside the box here. we like to define things, which essentially means to place restrictions, which is helpful for many things, but maybe that's not always the best way to look at things, especially when you're talking about a difference of scale.
|
|
mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-07-25 12:19 [#01285899]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker
|
|
yeah, yeah
analogy; what does an ant understand about an interstate highway? it probably doesn't even recognize it's existance.
|
|
Dozier
from United States on 2004-07-25 12:24 [#01285906]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker
|
|
i know, and it seems like it lacks any substance, but the point is that sometimes saying something is obvious or self-evident really just means you can't use your imagination. it doesn't prove anything, of course, but it also tries not to rule anything out. it's all really a moot point anyway, perhaps, as it's not like there is a universal truth, just perception (if you believe that kind of thing).
|
|
qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 12:45 [#01285932]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to Dozier: #01285906
|
|
universal truth.
ha ha.
*sigh*
party at the nerdfest.
|
|
Dozier
from United States on 2004-07-25 12:55 [#01285944]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #01285932
|
|
who pissed in your cornflakes? and if you're going to bother commenting, maybe you'd like to make a point or some other contribution rather than just boosting your self-esteem? at the very least you could tell me what you find so funny so i know where you're coming from.
|
|
Q4Z2X
on 2004-07-25 12:58 [#01285948]
Points: 5264 Status: Lurker | Followup to danbrusca: #01285590
|
|
i don't think there is an infinite amount of matter, but i think there may very likely be an infinite amount of empty space.. it would be impossible to describe how everything, or that space could have an ending.. a circular brick wall? "then what is on the other side, blah, blah, blah.. " or, everything all just sort of "curves" into itself somehow.. if that was the case it still would, in a way, be infinite because you could go travel infinitely in one given direction, and by the time you reached the same "point" it would be something different.. like, one's living room may become the location of a black hole or something by the time one was to reach it again after travelling the whole universe in one direction, in a huge "loop"..
but then again, what exactly is direction? if there was a time before the "big bang" where all matter, or whatever, was constricted into one single point in space, would there then be such a thing as direction? you could move away from it, but, up, down, left, right, etc., would have no relevance.. so if that "bang" really happened.. what difference does it make if there's a bunch of space in between most everything now? i mean, it gives us a way of relating the location of ourselves to everything else, but it just means that we are in a bit different set of "confines" now..
ah.. i don't know what the hell i'm trying to say..
|
|
qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 13:01 [#01285954]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to Dozier: #01285944
|
|
oh BOOH don't be such an Offended Betsy..!
you're talking about the nature of the universe and you mention "universal truth" - GET IT? GET IT!??? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!
|
|
Dozier
from United States on 2004-07-25 13:04 [#01285957]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker
|
|
i was watching a show on PBS and the physicists were trying to explain how the general perception of the big bang, i.e. all the matter and energy in the universe being infinitely compressed into a single point, is not really the correct way of looking at it, though they really sucked at explaining what the correct way was.
also, i think currently, it's undertood that "empty space" doesn't really exist. that there are particles constantly popping in and out of existence out of the vacuum. so that kind of changes how you can define the size of the universe, and things of that nature. however, all these things are just models, really, they aren't true representations of what's really going on.
|
|
Dozier
from United States on 2004-07-25 13:06 [#01285958]
Points: 2080 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #01285954
|
|
oh. heh.
sorry if i jumped on your back.
|
|
qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-25 13:12 [#01285965]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to Dozier: #01285958
|
|
:)
|
|
w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-25 13:26 [#01285992]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular
|
|
I was thinking how time can actually be measure by geometric distance. For example, the time between noon and midnight is the distance of a point on earth traveling 1/2 way around its circumference.
Also, if there is a stationary object "x", and a giant gas "y" moving west at the speed of light, and an object "z" IN that gas moving west at the speed of light, then relative to x, z is moving 2X the speed of light. actually if x was moving east at the speed of light, it's be 3X.
I wonder is space is "something" or "nothing", and if it's something, I wonder if true nothing is beyond it, like something that no god has yet imagined yet or something.
Also, if space is "nothing", then the mere fact that light can travel through it from the sun and reach earth implies that light is matter that is moving... because if it was just some sort of wave or something, space has nothing TO wave, which should thus preventing it from traveling.
|
|
Messageboard index
|