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So I was trying to get into VSnares darker material (and somebody recommended DOLL DOLL DOLL, so I checked it out), but even that is too soft for me. What a tosser. I wanted to find some info on it so I first read BBCs review, and here's a quote: "The subject matter here is equally dark - most of it focusing on child abuse of some kind of another. Tracks are entitled Befriend a Childkiller or All The Children Are Dead, a sample from the Jon-Benet Ramsey helpline appears on one track, a darkened voice lurking in the background whispering befriend the childkiller on another. Like I said: scary stuff." And then I listened to the samples on the BBC page thinking that maybe VSnares had done some dark tracks afterall, and it sounded like any other classical music! Not dark at all, well perhaps if you think of the tracktitles while listening they might be a bit dark, but otherwise it's just classical music to me. And although it's beautiful - that's now what I was searching for at the moment. Now has VSnares done anything remotely dark, or is it just a widespread myth among the fans who probably buys album by other artists, thinking it might be VSnares (cause he releases so many)? Give me answers! |
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actually VSnares could defineatly make a career in the field of classical music scene if he continues with this beatlacking, harmonic music. |
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A great work--controlled use of distortion effects, great samples, intricately programmed beats. I especially enjoyed Dollmaker with its 7/8 timing paul f savage, Antarctica hey it's marlowe! |
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oh and although i haven't heard too much venetian snares i really don't see what you are talking about with classical here. his stuff seems pretty hard. it may have just been the clips you heard that misled you. |
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My review of the samples: "Dollmaker" Starts out nice with soft horns and then the flute is given more air, and by the end they are also joined by the frisky violin. This is a friendly dollmaker, perhaps struggeling to make a living while trying to create the most original and beautiful dolls ever. "Pressure Torture" This track is sung by a male choir and it's a bit darker (but less melancholic than "Dollmaker"), somebody has perhaps lost the love of his live and feels the pain and pressure of being alone, and missing someone, and something (love). |
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appearantly DOLL DOLL DOLL is suppose to be one of his darker albums, and I wouldn't really call it dark, having listened to the samples available at BBC. |
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oh ho ho! |
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try his speedranch collaboration, making orange things i don't know what you're talking about though |
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are they more dark than DOLL DOLL DOLL? If you haven't heard D D D (or didn't care to read my review of the soundclips); here are the clips: |
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hahaha sweet |
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'vsnares is way too soft' 'are they more dark' making orange things is the most abrasive thing he's done. I don't get what you mean by saying doll doll doll isn't dark, because it is. It's softer than making orange things though. |
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According to my sources (the soundsamples), VSnares isn't very dark at all. Maybe it's dark classical music, and dark in context, but I wouldn't even call it dark if I didn't know it was VSnares... Conclusions : VSnares isn't dark, just overhyped. Soundclips don't lie, do they? |
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What the fuck? Classical music? The samples won't work for some reason, but the first two minutes of dollmaker are a build-up, intro. Pressure torture, meh, it's just noisy. "dark dark dark" what are you really talking about though? what makes it NOT dark? |
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they are only clips though |
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Snares tries to hard to be 'dark' hence, he does the opposite, which would be making yourself looking like a goth. |
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It's all a bit tongue in cheek of course. |
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the samples works fine for me... "The samples won't work for some reason, but the first two minutes of dollmaker are a build-up, intro. Pressure torture, meh, it's just noisy." ok it may be an intro I am hearing in "Dollmaker" with the horns and the flute and the violin, and it does sound nice (like I described), it's not just dark at all. But "Pressure Torture", I wouldn't call that noise at all. It's actually quite harmonic (and very melodic) in my opinion; hey it's even wellmixed and not distorted at all. |
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hahah, yes, it's drum, violin, piano, probably programmed though? still, that's not classical, it's like jazz. Download the whole song, it's a good one. You'll like the second half. |
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It's noisy, I didn't say it was in that gay genre or whatever. It's noisy. It is. It goes like "BLLHSHHH BLLHSHH DSHH DSHH DSHH BSOOMMMDmMDmm BSOMMMDMDM dhhDHDHDHDHDHH" -repeatm for 7 minutes. it sounds like someone banging on one of those synth drum kits |
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hahah, yes, it's drum, violin, piano, probably programmed though? still, that's not classical, it's like jazz. Download the whole song, it's a good one. You'll like the second half. Please check again if you can check out the samples... did you buy the album or download it? Cause if you downloaded it, maybe someone renamed some other album VSnares and you thought you got it right cause it was dark, but then it wasn't VSnares at all. I wouldn't really call the music jazzy. I mean sure I feel like getting up and moving my feet slowly, but with more elegance; the way most classical music makes you feel. |
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It's noisy, I didn't say it was in that gay genre or whatever. It's noisy. It is. It goes like "BLLHSHHH BLLHSHH DSHH DSHH DSHH BSOOMMMDmMDmm BSOMMMDMDM dhhDHDHDHDHDHH" -repeatm for 7 minutes. it sounds like someone banging on one of those synth drum kits to me, it sounds more like gregorian or some other male choir. these are though boys, perhaps raised on the streets (if it's suppose to be dark) but they sure still have their voices intact and knows how to sing. I agree, I can't really make out what they are singing, but it sounds more like wovels to me, than consonants. |
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the second reply was in reference to when you said "pressure torture" wasn't noisy. If you think that the beginning of dollmaker is classical, and not jazz, I'm guessing you don't know much about music at all, so that's where this whole misunderstanding of his music is coming from. Do you have a P2P program? Download doll doll doll and listen to the whole thing, rather than judging the whole thing on two 30 second samples. |
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Wait a second. The reviewer obviously reviewed the wrong thing. Is this some kind of a joke I've fallen into? |
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Hahah. I saved the samples to my harddrive, and got them to play that way. Guess what? They aren't Venetian Snares. |
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If you think that the beginning of dollmaker is classical, and not jazz, I'm guessing you don't know much about music at all, so that's where this whole misunderstanding of his music is coming from. NO need to be a bigshot here, mr mappatazee. I am pretty sure if VSnares played this in his set people would yell "yo, mr Funk, turn up the volume on the classical beat, yo!" and he would reply "throw your hands in the air!" Do you have a P2P program? Download doll doll doll and listen to the whole thing, rather than judging the whole thing on two 30 second samples. The samples are almost one minute long. I might actually download it later, before I buy it (hm, I do feel like getting into softer classical music) but til it's downloaded I will have to rely on these two BBC soundclips. |
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If you want hardcore do check in to Making Orange Things. It is a good collaboration. I think the hardest track on it is Meta Abuse. Listen to it. |
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Hahah. I saved the samples to my harddrive, and got them to play that way. Guess what? They aren't Venetian Snares. now that's what most of his fans would say in his defence, realizeing how soft his music really is. I don't think this, as you suggested, is a BBC conspiracy to make people stay off VSnares music. |
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I think this is a big lie and Key_Secret has heard Venetian Snares before anyways, he is just joking around. But if not, here are the real samples, albeit very shitty: target=blank> |
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I have heard "Meta Abuse" and I have to say it's not really my thing. I am not really a big fan of Big Band Jazz. I do enjoy the solo clarinet stuff and the drumsolo, but I think the double bass is a bit too loudly mastered. |
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Hah! This thread is way too big you tricky bastard. |
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Perhaps you would enjoy the hardcore sounds of some ocean waves? :) |
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heh, ok on a more serious note. I don't really like Making Orange things, cause it got all of these loud high frequenies (I dislike that). For me "Meta abuse" is an ok track, perhaps my fav one on the album, but it's very similar to Hellfish "Ultra Violence" which I defineatly prefer to it. Actually the truth is I first heard the samples on teh BBC page... I thought something was wrong for real so I decided to check out some other sources... but then I just found it kinda funny, so I created this topic. But I have to say the real DOLL DOLL DOLL sounds good. |
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It is usually funny when big companies review non mainstream music. Good example is when Rolling Stone reviewed Drukqs. that was great. |
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haha yeah I remember reading that review at one point... y0u wouldn't have a link of it somewhere? btw have you heard that track "Ultra Violence" I mentioned? |
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Rolling Stone has removed the review from thier website. I do remember that the person who did the review got a lot of critism and had a book being published soon. And so a lot of people revied the book on amazon.com with negative opinions. And no I haven't heard "Ultra Violence", but I think I may check into it. :) |
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OH man! What is the name of the book/author? btw: Dollmaker is a good track. |
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yeah "Ultra violence" is on the awesome industrial hardcore album "Bastard Sonz of Rave" (a compilation album by Hellfish / Producer released on planet µ)... you should check it out. "Witch Hunt" (DJ Producer) which isn't as hard as Ultra Violence (it's more like 160 BPM or so, but with an awesome melody/sound and great beats + structure) is my fav track on the album. |
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The Review of (cached web page) and the person who did the reviews on amazon.com. I added a review too when I board. :) The cached page from rollingstone.com still has some of the public reviews :) |
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That guy writes for ROLLING STONE? Aside from his opinion of Drukqs, and that I don't have any respect for Rolling Stone magazine anyways, the fact remains that it is a large magazine. You'd think they'd hire someone who can actually write well. He writes like a freshman highschool student. That was laughable, highly. |
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