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how would u compare these two magazines writers... and overall quality... |
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the Wire is better but it's not really all that fair to compare the two, because they really have very different target audiences... |
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also the Wire doesn't just review music. |
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i wouldnt say wire is better cuz i think theyre much more pretentious and lit brag then pitchfork, and therefore unhelpful.. plus i think, pitchfork writers have much more sense of humour.. but ure right about the audiences |
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It's so irritating that critics would have a target audience.. I think they should just remember what their fucking job is. |
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u cant really get away from that cuz the style of their writings and their favoured artists will instantly determine audience.. thats inevitable |
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They shouldn't be thinking about who is going to be reading the review, they should just be writing a review which weighs up the good and bad about a record. That's all. |
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perhaps i didn't choose my words properly... you bring up a good point... all i really mean is that at the Wire, they make certain assumptions about what you already now about certain aspects of music, so that they can be more probing and thorough in their descriptions of what they discuss, which for the most part is experimental music... avant jazz, free improv, free folk, eai, post-rock, post-punk (more pere ubu than interpol), etc. i'd almost describe the Wire as a scholarly magazine, the kind you cite in a paper for your university or something... now some people are bound to see this as pretentious, but really they shouldn't complain because there are plenty of other music magazines under the sun that they can stroke their ego with... the Wire is an opportunity for like-minded readers and writers across the globe to advance musical discourse, and while i sometimes find it going over my head, i know there are people out there who find it infinitely more useful because it isn't dumbing itself down for me... |
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ure right but u have to admit that in the wire its often just jerking off, showing how great writers they r, even though they know noone will understand a word of it, and exactly that gives them great pleasure, cuz people tend to regard things that they dont understand as profound, and that makes wire writers look kool whereas in pitchfork theyre doiing similar thing often, but with humour that nonacademic ppl can relate to and thats what its all about... reading music critic=having fun while discovering new things i think wire guys lost the fun moment somewhere along the way.. |
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i see what you mean but i'm not really willing to condemn either entity as having lost the fun, or not really caring about the music anymore, or just about any other criticism that seems to get levelled at these kinds of publications... nothing about what i see from either says anything about the writers of these magazines other than that they love music to pieces... maybe for the pitchfork writer it's Led Zeppelin's IV, maybe for the wire writer it's Coltrane's Ascension... but regardless, the passion is there, and it's deep rooted... at my reading level, i'm definitely more likely to find pitchfork's writing amusing... but i can also say that i look forward to the day when i catch more than 10% of the jokes being made in the pages of the Wire (they're there... instead of funny conceits its tongue and cheek play with how one compares someone's music to Brian Eno... welll those are the ones i get, anyway... :P) |
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welcome to the board, by the way... you sound like you'll be interesting to talk to :) |
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thx btw i was hoping for that thay to come for last 8 years and it never comes :) everytime i buy wire, i skim through it and feel deceited, and i give it a second chance, a more concentrated read, and i feel even more pissed off theyre really gettin on my nerves, i donno maybe its just envy cuz im not capable of understanding it but than again the day that wire publishes their yearly rewind is always the most expected day of the year :) |
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FATALITY!!11 WIRE WINS!!111 Seriously, i've heard so much new music through reading the wire it's untrue. Plus the wire tapper cds are top notch. |
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xammax - sorry to disappoint you, but they're trying to run a business. if they don't know their target audience, then they would have folded a long time ago. if you know the kind of people that make up your readership you can work harder to keep them entertained and interested. there's no point publishing something that won't appeal to them at all. perhaps even more crucially, you need to know who buys your mag so you can form an accurate audience demographic. this can be presented to the kind of companies that might benefit from advertising space in your publication. because it's their money, and not that of your readership, that keeps the mag afloat. |
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yea its a bich that every mag needs sponsors who r willing to pay ALOT of money in order for it to stay alive... let alone anything else thats why nme and mixmag and muzik all lost the plot long time ago... like dj shadow would say "why hip hop sucks in 96" its .../the mOney... |
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yeah it's a fine balance.. there's a way of doing what you have to do without compromising too much, but no one can keep that going forever. you have to know when to quit. |
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well i love The Wire despite all it's faults and i hate Pitchfork. |
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love and hate r the same emotion |
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I find a lot of these reviews really colorful, but I don't get a lot of the cultural references for whatever reason (?) and I'd rather just listen to the music sometimes as soon as possible instead of wading through long paragraphs. I know Frank Zappa said something like "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture", and sometimes it's even more absurd than that. So fundamentally, I don't find most music reviews helpful in guiding me as to what to listen to -- more likely I'll head to somewhere like smokecds.com or juno.co.uk and have a listen if I have a chance. Explosions of genre names bemuse me. :| |
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me too |
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they arre not. next. |
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The Wire is by far the best |
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ok could everyone write down his own opinion on what makes wire "good" or "the best" im just curious...its an interesting debate... |
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The Wire is much better. Because they know what they're talking about, have more depht, and don't slaughter an album just because they have had a bad day. |
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they do slaughter, but in an academic kind of way |
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are you a retard or what |
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no, i just think too much try it sometimes, maybe you'll get to understand some things best regards |
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Love is a very vague word in English. It can mean an intense feeling of affection, an emotion or emotional state. It can mean to act in a way which considers someone else`s needs as more important than your own. It can also be used to describe a feeling of attraction towards a person in a romantic and/or physical sense. This is sometimes called romantic love to distinguish it from affection between family members or friends or between human beings and their pets. Love is also a deep liking for something (anything). Special love is a special affection for someone or something, a feeling or emotion. Unhealthy love is the sharing or desire to share something which would not be good for you or the object of your desire. Hate or hatred is an emotion of intense revulsion, distaste, enmity, or antipathy for a person, thing, or phenomenon; a desire to avoid, restrict, remove, or destroy its object. Hatred can be based on fear of its object, justified or unjustified, or past negative consequences of dealing with that object. Hatred is often described as the opposite of love or friendship; others consider the opposite of love to be indifference. See love-hate relationship. "Hate" or "hatred" are also used to describe feelings of prejudice or bigotry against a group of people, such as racism, religious prejudice, or homophobia, especially when these are particularly intense. Hate crimes are crimes committed out of hatred in this sense. __ wikipedia thinks you are a self righteous bastard who is not aware of the letters 'yo' preceding the 'u' when typing 'you' |
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do u have a girlfriend? |
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im sorry im so hungry its not healthy anymore, it makes me attack random people ill leave |
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Italian has words for many kinds of love. When there are lots of words for one subject, it says a lot about the culture. Like Eskimos having so many words for snow/ice. There are lots of words for sex in our language though. |
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