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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 12:43 [#01239815]
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I mean inner cities with fucked up environments... drive by shootings, dead cats laying on the sidewalk, bums digging in school dumpsters. It's not because they are too poor because there are cheap alternatives such as alabama or some shit. Some people maybe prefer this environment, especially criminals. Criminals are very interesting.. if biological taxonomy is used as a simile for culture, they are sort of a different cultural "species".. probably handing on their way of life to their offspring. Nothing is good or bad; they just have evolved a different way to exist in the current system. I read about the existence "culture" of killer whales so different that they havn't interbred in a long time with the other main group, thus making them slightly genetically different. They're sort of a more aggressive group that experiments more in their diet given they must due to humans over-fishing their natural food.
Anyway, maybe the reason people get stuck in such shitty places is either lack of motivation to travel to other places which as far as they know may or may not be better, or social ties. I'm pretty much referring to the US as I know little about other countries. This brings up an interesting point.. people born in shitty countries are often stuck there because better countries make their immigration illegal.. is this the truth? It's really fucked up if so.
I'm also interested in the growth of cities. Obviously a city can only really grow at it's loosly defined borders (excluding the idea of taller vertical builtings). They must be growing and growing.. if a large portion of the world is destined to have the characteristics of an ecologically unhealthy inner city in the future, I'd push a "humanity eraser button" right now if I had the power.
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nacmat
on 2004-06-14 12:45 [#01239818]
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people live where they can
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2004-06-14 12:46 [#01239822]
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yes no maybe
*note: i didnt read the first post
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-14 12:47 [#01239825]
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Stupid question.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-06-14 12:49 [#01239827]
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I suggest you read about migratory patterns and immigration issues. Your true naievity over human nature is quite astonishing sometimes.
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-06-14 12:49 [#01239828]
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Without the city ghetto, where would rap music be?
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nacmat
on 2004-06-14 12:52 [#01239830]
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touche
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-14 12:52 [#01239831]
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also trying to simplify things that are quite complex won't help much.
you'll only have an idea of the simplified version, which has little to do with reality.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 12:56 [#01239837]
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Thanks. I plan to use my powers of pseudointelligence and lack of facts about humanity to construct intricate imiginative delusions of grandeur and adopt people into my belief system as a cult, much like the leader of scientology (my hero).
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-06-14 12:58 [#01239841]
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L Ron Hubbard...what a name.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-14 12:59 [#01239844]
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I saw some of those people in a mall once. Trying to get people's handprints...
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2004-06-14 13:02 [#01239852]
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Is this thread a joke?
People live in cities because cities have jobs.
What do you think its like in Alabama?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-14 13:03 [#01239855]
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i want to live in ghetto, coz im bad!
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:03 [#01239856]
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In alabama there are 300 dollar apartments. An 8 dollar an hour job is sufficient, even with part time.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:05 [#01239859]
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In LA, there are 1000 dollar studios if you're lucky probably.
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sneakattack
on 2004-06-14 13:09 [#01239868]
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I was looking at some crappy city from a tall hill once, and thinking: all of it is pointless. You see all these cars speeding, people expending energy--just to keep the cycle going. No thought whatsoever as to the result of anything. If you think of any lofty goal, most human life doesn't ever come within miles of it. Seems that most everyone is content just to continue nothingness.
being around a ton of delusional retards is nice, hence cities.
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sneakattack
on 2004-06-14 13:19 [#01239881]
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the meaning of life is particular to the individual, but unfortunately most people avoid any determination of value and just try to roll along with as much pleasure and as little friction as possible, all the while lambasting everything.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:21 [#01239886]
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And it all seems to be very bizarre manifestations of energy from the sun... light energy can produce... this?! Seeing cars from on top of a hill is interesting. What if the scale of a car was juuuust barely visible to alien observers with a telescope made of alien technology. Anything smaller like a human wouldn't be known to exist. They'd see buildings and trying to understand the behavior of cars... hmm.. they appear to follow straight lines, perhaps they leave some sort of chemical trails like our planets zonk ants.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:23 [#01239890]
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Cars are sort of like a new type of animal.
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mute
from hell (United States) on 2004-06-14 13:24 [#01239892]
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a 1000 dollar studio in LA... an 8 dollar an hour job in alabama? haha... try minimum wage -- if you can find one. and what about relocating in the first place? and down payments? what about wellfare? unemployment? benefits ppl will lose when they move to another state? what about grandpa? what about the shitty home you own thanks to your deceased parents? in a ghetto you can also find a 300 dollar apartment. there so much shit absent and incorrectly assumed about your 'essay' its annoying. i recommend instead of just opinion or fox news-style inspired bullshit you instead go read factual information to help you out. why do you think ppl were heading into the cities during the great depression?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:31 [#01239900]
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More and more people are joining the ecnadniarb school of thought that I am an idiot. This is great because it helps me understand myself and my identity. I am an idiot. Me. I mean, have you ever looked at someone and though "god damn, they are an idiot". Sadly, you can never know what it is like to be one.
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sneakattack
on 2004-06-14 13:32 [#01239902]
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It's funny to put it in perspective with how arrogant most religions are, claiming things like god only cares about us (how?), man is in the image of god (ugly!), there's no other life (because we're so special, of course!),
Aliens have predicted that we destroy ourselves, and hence don't bother.
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k_maty
on 2004-06-14 13:33 [#01239904]
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I knew this guy who left home and lived in the Florida Keys for like three years, he carried all his belongings in a backpack, including his hammock, which he slept in every night on the beach. He took showers on the beach and rode his bike to work, at Home Depot or some place like that. He saved almost all of his money and started a business afterward, and with no bills it was alot, and said that was the best time of his life, being a bum pretty much. Sounded like a pretty cool lifestyle to me. I guess thats kind of off topic or something, but yeah I've seen bums in Chicago and New York and wondered why they don't change locations, at least to somewhere warm. Then again I've heard bums in large cities make tons of money begging...
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sneakattack
on 2004-06-14 13:34 [#01239906]
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There are few things as cozy as the position of someone who insults incessantly--with a few words, you're greater than everyone! how nice.
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sneakattack
on 2004-06-14 13:35 [#01239908]
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Takes lots of determination to do something like that, impressive.
Bums in NYC are fucking pushy; they yell at you at night when you ignore them. People don't care to change things, that would imply a necessity for responsibility.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:37 [#01239910]
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I truly am too. I wish I could force any of you to only use my mind for just one day. As your mind switched to mind, you suddenly feel a rush of change. You'd notice a complete lack of something you use to have; something normal. But not having access to your old mind, you'd forget what that was. Don't bother fighting the onslaught of nonsensical mental images and thoughts. I bet none of you would last the day without commiting suicide. Hell, I won't last this day without commiting suicide.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-14 13:41 [#01239912]
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We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.
The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
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sneakattack
on 2004-06-14 13:42 [#01239914]
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that beam is my urine
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-14 13:43 [#01239917]
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It's my flashlight.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:44 [#01239918]
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Part of me really wants to do something like that beach bum thing. You would get rich quick with no bills, even with minimal income. The unabomber lived in a shack in montana with no bills pretty much. He just had to buy a few things. I don't know how things like this work.. like am I allowed to just find some rural spot of land in montana and build my own makeshift house there? Someone else must own that land, but then again, if they did (like the government or something) would they ever bother checking that I lived there? I really want to leave humanity. I'm miserable amongst them. This seems to be a constant.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-14 13:45 [#01239920]
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Squatter's rights!
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sneakattack
on 2004-06-14 13:47 [#01239922]
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If you can completely cast off the trappings, bickering, and mores of society, than I'm fucking impressed.
said thing about humanity is that once you taste something, it's hard to go on without (and not replace it superficially)
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Mertens
from Motor City (United States) on 2004-06-14 13:49 [#01239924]
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who says size equals importance?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:53 [#01239930]
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I've never read that before. That was so insightful that it gave me a boner and made me fart and cry and then sneeze.
From one point of view though... does the understanding of the vastness of scale change anything? Even though it looks like a speck from this scale, our senses and minds happen to operate at the scale from the surface of that dot, so close that it's huge relative to us. It's often quite annoying not being able to see what the hell reality is out there by looking at it with an enormous pair of eyes.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-14 13:56 [#01239934]
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CAT TASTE SO GOOD
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-06-14 14:00 [#01239945]
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The thing is, right (takes massive toke) that, man, being sentient, and part of the universe, is therefore (drains can of lager) the sentience of the universe. We are its eyes and ears and tongue, and if the universe wants to make IDM (beeeeeeeeeeeeellcch.....) then by doing its bidding we are fulfilling our aim in the grand, machine.
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somejerk
from south florida, US (United States) on 2004-06-14 14:02 [#01239946]
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they probably don't have any money......................
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 14:13 [#01239958]
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ha ha, nice avatar.
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