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online w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 12:43 [#01239815]
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I mean inner cities with fucked up environments... drive by
shootings, dead cats laying on the sidewalk, bums digging in
school dumpsters. It's not because they are too poor because
there are cheap alternatives such as alabama or some shit.
Some people maybe prefer this environment, especially
criminals. Criminals are very interesting.. if biological
taxonomy is used as a simile for culture, they are sort of a
different cultural "species".. probably handing on their way
of life to their offspring. Nothing is good or bad; they
just have evolved a different way to exist in the current
system. I read about the existence "culture" of killer
whales so different that they havn't interbred in a long
time with the other main group, thus making them slightly
genetically different. They're sort of a more aggressive
group that experiments more in their diet given they must
due to humans over-fishing their natural food.

Anyway, maybe the reason people get stuck in such shitty
places is either lack of motivation to travel to other
places which as far as they know may or may not be better,
or social ties. I'm pretty much referring to the US as I
know little about other countries. This brings up an
interesting point.. people born in shitty countries
are often stuck there because better countries make their
immigration illegal.. is this the truth? It's really fucked
up if so.

I'm also interested in the growth of cities. Obviously a
city can only really grow at it's loosly defined borders
(excluding the idea of taller vertical builtings). They must
be growing and growing.. if a large portion of the world is
destined to have the characteristics of an ecologically
unhealthy inner city in the future, I'd push a "humanity
eraser button" right now if I had the power.

end of pseudointellectual post


 

offline nacmat on 2004-06-14 12:45 [#01239818]
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people live where they can


 

offline nobsmuggler from silly mid-off on 2004-06-14 12:46 [#01239822]
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yes no maybe

*note: i didnt read the first post


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-14 12:47 [#01239825]
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Stupid question.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-06-14 12:49 [#01239827]
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I suggest you read about migratory patterns and immigration
issues. Your true naievity over human nature is quite
astonishing sometimes.


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-06-14 12:49 [#01239828]
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Without the city ghetto, where would rap music be?


 

offline nacmat on 2004-06-14 12:52 [#01239830]
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touche


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-14 12:52 [#01239831]
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also trying to simplify things that are quite complex won't
help much.

you'll only have an idea of the simplified version, which
has little to do with reality.


 

online w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 12:56 [#01239837]
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Thanks. I plan to use my powers of pseudointelligence and
lack of facts about humanity to construct intricate
imiginative delusions of grandeur and adopt people into my
belief system as a cult, much like the leader of scientology
(my hero).


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-06-14 12:58 [#01239841]
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L Ron Hubbard...what a name.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-14 12:59 [#01239844]
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I saw some of those people in a mall once. Trying to get
people's handprints...


 

offline Xanatos from New York City (United States) on 2004-06-14 13:02 [#01239852]
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Is this thread a joke?

People live in cities because cities have jobs.

What do you think its like in Alabama?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-06-14 13:03 [#01239855]
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i want to live in ghetto, coz im bad!


 

online w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:03 [#01239856]
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In alabama there are 300 dollar apartments. An 8 dollar an
hour job is sufficient, even with part time.


 

online w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:05 [#01239859]
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In LA, there are 1000 dollar studios if you're lucky
probably.


 

offline sneakattack on 2004-06-14 13:09 [#01239868]
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I was looking at some crappy city from a tall hill once, and
thinking: all of it is pointless. You see all these cars
speeding, people expending energy--just to keep the cycle
going. No thought whatsoever as to the result of anything.
If you think of any lofty goal, most human life doesn't ever
come within miles of it. Seems that most everyone is
content just to continue nothingness.

being around a ton of delusional retards is nice, hence
cities.


 

offline sneakattack on 2004-06-14 13:19 [#01239881]
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the meaning of life is particular to the individual, but
unfortunately most people avoid any determination of value
and just try to roll along with as much pleasure and as
little friction as possible, all the while lambasting
everything.


 

online w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:21 [#01239886]
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And it all seems to be very bizarre manifestations of energy
from the sun... light energy can produce... this?! Seeing
cars from on top of a hill is interesting. What if the scale
of a car was juuuust barely visible to alien observers with
a telescope made of alien technology. Anything smaller like
a human wouldn't be known to exist. They'd see buildings and
trying to understand the behavior of cars... hmm.. they
appear to follow straight lines, perhaps they leave some
sort of chemical trails like our planets zonk ants.


 

online w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:23 [#01239890]
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Cars are sort of like a new type of animal.


 

offline mute from hell (United States) on 2004-06-14 13:24 [#01239892]
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a 1000 dollar studio in LA... an 8 dollar an hour job in
alabama? haha... try minimum wage -- if you can find one.
and what about relocating in the first place? and down
payments? what about wellfare? unemployment? benefits ppl
will lose when they move to another state? what about
grandpa? what about the shitty home you own thanks to your
deceased parents? in a ghetto you can also find a 300 dollar
apartment. there so much shit absent and incorrectly
assumed about your 'essay' its annoying. i recommend instead
of just opinion or fox news-style inspired bullshit you
instead go read factual information to help you out. why do
you think ppl were heading into the cities during the great
depression?



 

online w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:31 [#01239900]
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More and more people are joining the ecnadniarb school of
thought that I am an idiot. This is great because it helps
me understand myself and my identity. I am an idiot. Me. I
mean, have you ever looked at someone and though "god damn,
they are an idiot". Sadly, you can never know what it is
like to be one.


 

offline sneakattack on 2004-06-14 13:32 [#01239902]
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It's funny to put it in perspective with how arrogant most
religions are, claiming things like god only cares about us
(how?), man is in the image of god (ugly!), there's no other
life (because we're so special, of course!),

Aliens have predicted that we destroy ourselves, and hence
don't bother.


 

offline k_maty on 2004-06-14 13:33 [#01239904]
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I knew this guy who left home and lived in the Florida Keys
for like three years, he carried all his belongings in a
backpack, including his hammock, which he slept in every
night on the beach. He took showers on the beach and rode
his bike to work, at Home Depot or some place like that. He
saved almost all of his money and started a business
afterward, and with no bills it was alot, and said that was
the best time of his life, being a bum pretty much. Sounded
like a pretty cool lifestyle to me. I guess thats kind of
off topic or something, but yeah I've seen bums in Chicago
and New York and wondered why they don't change locations,
at least to somewhere warm. Then again I've heard bums in
large cities make tons of money begging...


 

offline sneakattack on 2004-06-14 13:34 [#01239906]
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There are few things as cozy as the position of someone who
insults incessantly--with a few words, you're greater than
everyone! how nice.


 

offline sneakattack on 2004-06-14 13:35 [#01239908]
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Takes lots of determination to do something like that,
impressive.

Bums in NYC are fucking pushy; they yell at you at night
when you ignore them. People don't care to change things,
that would imply a necessity for responsibility.


 

online w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:37 [#01239910]
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I truly am too. I wish I could force any of you to only use
my mind for just one day. As your mind switched to mind, you
suddenly feel a rush of change. You'd notice a complete lack
of something you use to have; something normal. But not
having access to your old mind, you'd forget what that was.
Don't bother fighting the onslaught of nonsensical mental
images and thoughts. I bet none of you would last the day
without commiting suicide. Hell, I won't last this day
without commiting suicide.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-14 13:41 [#01239912]
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We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and,
if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home.
That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human
being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate
of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident
religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter
and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and
destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every
young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and
father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of
morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every
supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our
species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a
sunbeam.

The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena.
Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals
and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could
become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think
of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one
corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of
some other corner of the dot. How frequent their
misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another,
how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined
self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged
position in the universe, are challenged by this point of
pale light.

Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic
dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is
no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from
ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is
a humbling, and I might add, a character-building
experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better
demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this
distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our
responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with
one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot,
the only home we've ever known.

--Carl Sagan


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offline sneakattack on 2004-06-14 13:42 [#01239914]
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that beam is my urine


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-14 13:43 [#01239917]
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It's my flashlight.


 

online w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:44 [#01239918]
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Part of me really wants to do something like that beach bum
thing. You would get rich quick with no bills, even
with minimal income. The unabomber lived in a shack in
montana with no bills pretty much. He just had to buy a few
things. I don't know how things like this work.. like am I
allowed to just find some rural spot of land in montana and
build my own makeshift house there? Someone else must own
that land, but then again, if they did (like the government
or something) would they ever bother checking that I lived
there? I really want to leave humanity. I'm miserable
amongst them. This seems to be a constant.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-14 13:45 [#01239920]
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Squatter's rights!


 

offline sneakattack on 2004-06-14 13:47 [#01239922]
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If you can completely cast off the trappings, bickering, and
mores of society, than I'm fucking impressed.

said thing about humanity is that once you taste something,
it's hard to go on without (and not replace it
superficially)


 

offline Mertens from Motor City (United States) on 2004-06-14 13:49 [#01239924]
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who says size equals importance?


 

online w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 13:53 [#01239930]
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I've never read that before. That was so insightful that it
gave me a boner and made me fart and cry and then sneeze.

From one point of view though... does the understanding of
the vastness of scale change anything? Even though it looks
like a speck from this scale, our senses and minds happen to
operate at the scale from the surface of that dot, so close
that it's huge relative to us. It's often quite annoying not
being able to see what the hell reality is out there by
looking at it with an enormous pair of eyes.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-14 13:56 [#01239934]
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CAT TASTE SO GOOD


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offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-06-14 14:00 [#01239945]
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The thing is, right (takes massive toke) that, man, being
sentient, and part of the universe, is therefore (drains can
of lager) the sentience of the universe. We are its eyes and
ears and tongue, and if the universe wants to make IDM
(beeeeeeeeeeeeellcch.....) then by doing its bidding we are
fulfilling our aim in the grand, machine.


 

offline somejerk from south florida, US (United States) on 2004-06-14 14:02 [#01239946]
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they probably don't have any money......................


 

online w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-14 14:13 [#01239958]
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ha ha, nice avatar.


 


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