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offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-10 19:37 [#01233987]
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ha ha

excellent idea!


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-06-10 19:43 [#01234000]
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funny that merck should be mentioned, when a lot of their
releases could only hope to be as cool as Prefuse 73...

i stand behind Prefuse, Req, Broadcast, Lexoleum... warp is
not the end all be all... but i've never known them to be so
i don't really give a shit... if you aren't feeling all the
fantastic music out there, i feel bad for you... i'm not
going to say anything else cause i'll just end up saying
what i say every time this bullshit argument about how "no
good music comes out anymore" comes up...


 

offline Taffmonster from dog_belch (Japan) on 2004-06-10 19:46 [#01234006]
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people arent looking for new electronica they r looking for
a new genre as this ones getting old (not my exact opinion
but it seems what every one is hoping for)


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-10 19:47 [#01234008]
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not really.

I think most people basically want more of the same.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-06-10 20:07 [#01234050]
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Just because you don't like some of the output of a label
doesn't mean they have turned shit. I for one welcome the
diversity in Warp.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-10 20:08 [#01234052]
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my point exactly, Lee.



 

offline drummond from coffee, ahh, a burger, ahh on 2004-06-10 20:14 [#01234069]
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warp schmarp


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-06-10 20:18 [#01234076]
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sorry I didn't read anything other than the topic title, I
just guessed what other peoples responses where likely to
have been and posted my own :)


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-10 20:25 [#01234082]
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no, that's fine! I'm just happy you feel the same way. :)


 

offline od_step_cloak from Pleth (Australia) on 2004-06-10 21:05 [#01234203]
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Yeah a lot of the electronic stuff happening these days
doesn't appeal to me as much.
I think in my case it's my own tastes changeing though.
If you do not like what other people are doing, take it into
your own hands, make something for yourself.
I just make the shit that I want to hear.

People always complaining about the state of music - shit
look at how much we have to choose from!



 

offline lupus yonderboy from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-10 21:50 [#01234253]
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am i the only one who thinks the home video release is
amazing?...i can`t stop playing it....


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-06-10 21:52 [#01234254]
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you pretty much nailed it anyway...


 

offline KainiIndustries from over the roof floats billy on 2004-06-10 22:08 [#01234259]
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To a degree, I agree. Some of the nicest stuff I've heard
for a bit has come from Quanuum, Anticon, and other
fucked-up hip-hop pplzz. Odd Nosdam's solo stuff or Boom Bip
being the bidness in particular.


 

offline KainiIndustries from over the roof floats billy on 2004-06-10 22:12 [#01234260]
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additionally, I'm too LAZY_TITLE to type this out again.


 

offline napoleon from littleton on 2004-06-11 01:21 [#01234350]
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maybe not 'amazing'... but it's damn good. i really enjoy
it.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-06-11 02:34 [#01234374]
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I am glad they took a chance with the new TLS though. Great
album.


 

offline Aesthetics from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-06-11 16:19 [#01235740]
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ofcourse that is what I hoped for, what I think doesn´t
have to be done, it is just my opinion, sorry if yours
isn´t the same

please understand that I am talking from my point of
view(that´s why I used "imo" a few times) we don´t have to
agree you know..



 

offline avart from nomo' on 2004-06-11 16:39 [#01235763]
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oh - I forgot - bleep is a great idea, anyway.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2004-06-11 16:41 [#01235764]
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Come to think of it the last albums i really liked out of
our electronic genre arent warp related.

Global Goon - Family Glue
Hafler Trio
Yagya
Telefon Tel Aviv
Pole
shit like that.

Shuttle358 had its moments.

Also to mention i think Rephlex needs assistince as well but
then again that is my humble opinion. I feel as though that
there are two or three artists that really quench my musical
thirst.

Among mentioning:

Ovuca/astrobotnia
D`arcangelo
Aphex/AFX

I also did enjoy the gentle people and a couple of others. I
think they kind of overkilled Vibert for me. This is not to
say that the other artists are crap it just comes down to
personal opinion.

I too find that smaller labels just might be the key!


 

offline hevquip from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2004-06-11 16:43 [#01235767]
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i dont think there is anything wrong with a label broadening
their sound palette. it's not like new artists are going to
affect the quality of anyone else they have on their label.
as long as warp doesn't focus exclusively on new music, i
could care less. and artists will release the music i want
to hear, no matter the label.


 

offline hevquip from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2004-06-11 16:49 [#01235774]
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i think rephlex comes across as a little eccentric these
days, after the explosion of "IDM", which may as well be
defined as computerised, serious chop. happy, upbeat, and
*gasp* danceable songs aren't really a commodity these days
because it probably doesn't sound "complex" and "processed"
enough to most people.


 

offline KainiIndustries from over the roof floats billy on 2004-06-11 19:50 [#01236065]
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The new Broadenhurst album is really nice, and not in the
least
bit electronica.

Just thought I'd share that.


 

offline sons of august from the sacred cycles on 2004-06-11 19:55 [#01236070]
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everyone seems to feel rather powerless and wants to change
things as they see fit. you'd feel a lot better if you
accepted what is. if you truly want to control something,
let it do anything it wants.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2004-06-11 20:02 [#01236073]
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That doesn't make sense. 'everyone' needs to take the best
bit of aphex, the best bit of Ae etc and make something new.
No more cheesy emulation, some expression.


 

offline sons of august from the sacred cycles on 2004-06-11 20:05 [#01236074]
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no it doesn't. its completely contrived bullshit and i
didn't mean a word of it. :)


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2004-06-11 20:06 [#01236075]
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8 )


 

offline Torley Wong on 2004-06-12 01:56 [#01236211]
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I dunno. I think some is psychological -- but I can only
speak for myself. I know I've been desensitized over the
years and a lot of what used to be new and fresh (to cop an
80s term :) )now sounds rather familiar. As they say,
familiarity breeds contempt, but I'm positive there is a
point for some artists at which IDM cliches can get twisted
around and become refreshingly new again. Hmmm.

One of my problems is that there is a lot of good music --
which I enjoy -- that sounds like it could come from one
artist. Only thing is, it's like 100 different people making
the "same unique statements".

There is a time for Jolt Cola and a time for water :) One
thing I have always liked about RDJ is his standout
personality, I remember back in the mid-90s seeing the cover
of ICBYD and I knew the man was not afraid to show his face.
That was a big deal in electronic music at the time.

Still, I am hopeful for the future. Very hopeful.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2004-06-12 08:47 [#01236482]
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Oh how easily you all forget. Remember Drukqs? released on
warp october 22nd 2001. now ive seen it described as
groundbreaking and timeless on this mb. you cannot get
records like that released every year! remember draft 7.30?
remember #insert own choice here#? LFO? squarepusher? you
know warp hasnt lost it completely of late.

chris clark is new to this, rdj and the gang are old
masters. jimmy edgar has had 1 release which no one seems to
like. is that a crime-remember smojphace anyone?

back in the good old days, redsnapper were on warp, and
their stuff was hardly electronic, more jazzy ninjatuneish
stuff. antipop consortium was, well hiphop.

so recently things have turned away from pure electronic
music, so what. Its kinda sad if you are only capable of
apreciating one type of music. just because you read on the
internet and other cool places that IDM is the 'only' thing
worth listening to, doesn't mean its true.

or is IDM old fashioned now. perhaps the new sound is grime?
well stuff like grime existed a few years ago during the
time when Uk garage was popular. yeah craig david et all
were crap, but there was music just like that grime
LP(perhaps better?) out there if you opened your ears.

if you like good music then warp is great, if you only like
IDM/grime/'next cool thing' then perhaps not. Don't get me
wrong, I don't love warp, i think it has made some crap
releases of late, but looking back, it had crap releases
from day one. live with it.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2004-06-12 10:58 [#01236586]
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Its kinda sad if you are only capable of
apreciating one type of music. just because you read on the

internet and other cool places that IDM is the 'only' thing

worth listening to, doesn't mean its true.


Its not at all like that. I enjoyed it while it was there
and now i am bored with the shit thats being released.

Nowadays i am listening to stuff like Timeless/Classic Rock,
90's rock and Punk/hardcore. I still make time for jazz in
the evening hours to unwind and i toss in a bit of
classical.

so recently things have turned away from pure electronic

music, so what.


I dont know... perhaps because of the fact that they were a
powerhouse (imo) with the type of music they released years
ago. If i wanted a diverse label with hiphop and all that i
would look to fucking Warner Brothers. Warp was excellent at
what they did and i feel as though they are slipping. I am
aware they had some not so hot releases in the past. I feel
as though i am seeing something occur to a label i used to
like.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2004-06-12 11:15 [#01236609]
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Perhaps they have remained the same, and YOU have changed?
Perhaps YOUR tastes have matured. Perhaps they have indeed
changed.More likely it is a bit of both.

It would be great if things stayed the same, but its not the
nature of this universe.

Change is inevitable. Just think, warp got you into
artists/music which you had never heard off before. Now it
can do it to a whole new generation of kids who buy hear
jimmy edgar/chris clark/beans and punch them into google.



 


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