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MrDwatt
from Helsinki (Finland) on 2004-06-01 13:14 [#01218013]
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what damn computer is he really using on his gigs? It ain´t powerbook!?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-06-01 13:19 [#01218024]
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Ickle baby Vaio.
NB: Buying a Sony Vaio will not make your music making as good as his. Sorry.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 13:21 [#01218027]
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he used to use a PowerBook, back in the RDJ Album days, but he's shifted onto a Vaio.
I wouldn't mind getting one of those really small Vaio machines for a PC setup, you know the one that's got a small widescreen display and a webcam on the top of the display?
I think that'd be a great live little setup to go along with my PowerBook and my girlfriend's iBook :)
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-01 14:16 [#01218200]
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most electronic musicians i've seen live use apple laptops,
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-06-01 14:17 [#01218204]
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Most I have seen don't any more
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 14:19 [#01218210]
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Kraftwerk use Vaio's
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MrDwatt
from Helsinki (Finland) on 2004-06-01 14:21 [#01218217]
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why?
And do you know if he is still mac or pc in the studio?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 14:23 [#01218218]
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dunno why, probably just personal preference. maybe he uses software that you can't get for Mac, such as fruity loops or something.
i've no idea if he has a specific preference in the studio though. i'd guess that he's got both systems, so he's got flexibility to use whatever tool he needs to get the job done
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-01 14:23 [#01218221]
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i said most, not all... and i haven't seen Kraftwerk :)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 14:26 [#01218234]
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:)
to be honest, i've not really seen many people use a computer in a live situation.
I saw Gary Numan was using a TiBook on So Graham Norton a few months back, and there was some guy from the 80's doing a come back promo on TOTP and he had a TiBook also.
I know for a fact that Trent Reznor is an Apple only guy. He's got something like 5 G4 towers, and at least one TiBook.
he's probably got a 17" AlBook and a triple processor G5 by now!
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-06-01 14:31 [#01218248]
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this is over a year old, but in another thread it was said by a few that rdj's equipment was:
cubase sx 1.01 midex3 windows xp sony vaio srx7 vx pocket 440
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-01 14:31 [#01218250]
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i read somewhere he has 12 apple computers!
Bjork and Matmos are also apple users, Merzbow uses a powerbook too
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-06-01 14:33 [#01218252]
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vaio is shit. when my girl was buying a lap, we have to choose between Sony vaio and Compaq Presario ( 2100 ) .
vaio could lick the feets of compaq, really. and we choosed properly.
besides, sony entered computer bussines not so long ago, they cant be as good as youre talking.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 14:35 [#01218256]
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yeh, that figure is probably closer to what he actually has :)
I read somewhere that he always gets offers from PC software companies to endorse their product, and he turns round and says "why don't you do the right thing, and make it for the Mac?"
heh
anyways, i saw a recent pic of Leo Herrera with a 15" AlBook here (scroll down a bit)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 14:37 [#01218260]
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no-one is praising Vaio's particularly.
i just stated that i'd like the really compact one, because it'd fir perfect with a live setup and my living quarters. I will always prefer a portable system over a full size desktop system. And i would prefer a small PC laptop, because i could use Remote Desktop on my Mac to control it through Ethernet
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-06-01 14:38 [#01218263]
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yeah, i said what i sad in general for i know that many loves vaio even without knowing it properly.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-06-01 14:38 [#01218265]
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i know nothing of sony vaios, but just about every comapaq i have ever seen was total crap. cheap ass components, and horribly packed full of useless demos and turdy software.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 14:39 [#01218267]
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if i came across a sub-notebook that wasn't by sony, that had a better spec, then i'd use that instead. it doesn't really bother me much, as long as i can get hold of a sub-notebook that works well i don't care :)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 14:41 [#01218273]
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unfortunately most PC computers nowadays come preinstalled with garbage and junk, that is if you buy from somewhere like PC World or something.
i think the only way that you can get a Laptop that comes with useful software on is if you go to a computer supplier that specializes in configuring custom setups for your requirements
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-06-01 14:41 [#01218274]
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i get your points, dudes, but really, I ROCK
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-06-01 14:41 [#01218276]
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mochipets laptop got stolen
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-06-01 14:46 [#01218294]
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yeah. you're totally right. but, the couple of compaqs i have seen were much worse than the prepackaged dells that we get at work.
i'm not touting dell or anything, because i'm one of those dorks that builds his own machine, but dayam compaqs are coming with fuckloads of game previews, aol, earthlink, msn subscriptions, yadda, yadda.. all preinstalled and scattered all over the place. not to mention the fact that they're all using some kmart brand motherboards with integrated modems and soundcards and whatnot. good luck upgrading hardware... or even finding drivers if something perhaps goes wrong.
dell does seem to use somewhat standard components in their machines.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 14:50 [#01218309]
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well where the integrated motherboard issue is concerned, i'm afraid it's the way of the future :(
you see it more and more nowadays - you get motherboards for desktop/tower systems that have integrated modem, NIC, graphics, sound. i hate them, because the integrated graphics usually need to swallow up some of your RAM to use as VRAM.
with laptops though, there's very little that you can upgrade, because of the small form factor and the difficulty in actually performing the upgrades, so usually the only upgradable part of the machine is the RAM.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-06-01 14:58 [#01218330]
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No Trent isn't just a mac guy! Damn, you Mac users are real zealots ;)
Macs are the main part of the setup but he also used a couple of PCs on some releases, for PC only shareware progs like Audiomulch. He liked the sound destroying ability of PCs...
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 14:59 [#01218333]
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actually Trent Reznor has never used a PC for his music.
he has even said so himself
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 15:00 [#01218337]
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otherwise he has lied in every single interview i've read where he's discussed his equipment
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MrDwatt
from Helsinki (Finland) on 2004-06-01 15:12 [#01218365]
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btw does bodgan and Vsnares really use fruity loops?
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-01 15:18 [#01218373]
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No :) Vsnares uses a tracker called Octamed and Bogdan uses somthing similar.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 15:23 [#01218376]
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Bogdan also uses an 15" Titanium PowerBook
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-06-01 15:59 [#01218432]
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there are no trackers for mac.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 16:03 [#01218441]
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oops, my bad
this video doesn't show him making tracks on his TiBook, he's just doing general stuff on it
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-06-01 16:45 [#01218515]
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"Trent's studio complex has no shortage of Macintosh computers, but PCs were integrated into the studio setups along the way. "About halfway through the album, a couple of us bit the bullet and got Windows machines," Charlie says, "because there is a lot of shareware-level audio software for PCs that we wanted to try. Programs like AudioMulch and, on the professional side, [Native Instruments] Reaktor, Generator, and Transformator, which are modular synthesizer-type situations in software that offer a different set of module choices that what you get in a Nord Modular. We also got the Pulssar audio card from Creamware, and I believe on one song we actually used the simulated Minimoog that comes with the Pulsar. We mostly used the PCs for audio processing and drone creation. Basically it was a whole new world. I mean, we didn't learn most of these programs from top to bottom; it was more like, plug it in, bring it up on the console, and see if anything interesting comes out. You know, you're putting in a vocal, and what's coming out is a small crackling sound. The PC< with all these strange shareware programs, provided just another color to the spectrum. But we still did all our sequencing and audio recording on the Macs. The Logic Audio/Pro Tools combo is a lot more evolved on the Mac, and many more plugins exist. Plus, we kept breaking our PCs' operating systems by installing audio drivers and shareware stuff, so we didn't rely on them too much." "
From this article.
Okay so that is Charlie speaking, but even if Trent hasn't used it himself, he has let his underlings sully their hands with PCs, and there are PCs used on The Fragile at least. Personally, I'm not convinced a notorious control freak like Mr. Reznor would let his engineers process his stuff without him even knowing/understanding what they were up to. ;0)
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notmyname
from France on 2004-06-02 03:03 [#01218857]
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in the pic above there is a plastic bag from sisteray, record shop in berwick street (lots of rephlex records there)
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-02 03:14 [#01218876]
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I've seen pics where Tom Jenkies is using a VAIO too. They must be bonah time.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-06-02 03:15 [#01218879]
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just buy a good portable stereo system, and press play!
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blobula
from BElgraDe on 2004-06-02 13:55 [#01219891]
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i like that sisterray bag!..it's been a while since i bought music actually, bit i still kepp that first sisterraybag. strange how london store can sell you promo cds.
strange how afx laptop topic mutate into reznor's pc vs mac debate!
one day this will become nin board!
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2004-06-02 14:20 [#01219924]
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im using a compaq presario 2100 as we speak and i love mine, it didnt come with much useless crap, doesn't ever crash, and runs everything i really need (unless ive got like 4 absynths running with multiple effects of each, that turns into a little bit of a problem)
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