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As I said yesterday, I was working on a percussion sequence, using 3 instances of ReDrum in Reason... well, it's finished and online - only 1m22s. There are no copy and paste jobs here -- all put in note by note, with no drum-loop samples or anything! It's really interesting! To me, it has depth, some polyrhythms and quick progression! I'm enjoying it highly, and I dearly hope you will too! |
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Good work squire. You should do some DnB tracks if you have patience to program like this. I take it you put a high resolution and/or tempo? No shuffle, right? |
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No shuffle! Just straight-out 180bpm workout! :D It is lots of fun, especially if you're in an inventive/creative/playful mood! But it does take a long time! :D The reason I did it was because I always thought my beats were my weakest element, and since I've been using Reason, i've basically been making loops and doing very little with them. When I realised that, of course, I could simply program straight into the drum-roll (much like Floops), and then realised I could program multiple instances of ReDrum at once time, it got my juices flowing nicely! I'm really very pleased with it, mainly because it has flow while being very diverse! :D thank you very much for listening! |
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nice. I esp like the last few seconds, with the triplet feel. although, I would say, use non-reason drum samples. Maybe its just me, since I used reason for a long time, in depth, but I *hate* the reason samples. They sound thin and plasticy to me, and I can pretty much always hear them in a track, which kind of takes away from it for me. But I mean, the programming is good. I just advise on making your own samples, or finding different ones. Oh, and compression could make it pound :) |
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Cheers, Zeus -- I have millions of drum samples, but I was too lazy to leave the Reason folders :D What kind of compression would you advise? I've read a couple of articles online about compression, which mentioned drums, but would I then have to separate the sounds into kicks, snares, hats and all to individually compress them? Thanks for taking the time to lissen! |
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Yep, further to that, if you do use the reason samples, at least don't use default drum kits- combine elements of different ones together. I'm getting into synthesising my own drum sounds more and more. Wire several subtractors up (malstrom is a bit weak for most percussion sounds) to a redrum via the CV and don't load any sounds into redrum. Use a second (chained) mixer to take the subtractors outputs... works like a charm. |
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Extract each drum track as a seperate wav (easy if you do what I say above about several subtractors), then use a seperate compressor on each one in something like soundforge :) |
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Yeah I didn't use any preset banks - I trawled the samples for ones I thought I'd use :D What is that chaining in Reason you are talking about - what effect does it produce? Will my PC be able to handle it? |
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Don't forget I have 48MB ram! I can handle about 3 different instances of subTractor going! And this piece uses 30 different items of percussion! |
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Ok you will have to wait paul! but soon you will be able to. |
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I like to compress my drums together, as a kit, that way it kind of melds the sounds together. a very short attack, like 5 milliseconds or something, gives it alittle bit of the attack of the hits, so it doesnt become spongy and soft. as far as the ratio and threshold, it really depends on the sounds... so just mess with them abit. and yeah, putting the stuff throgh the malestrom can be fucking hot. I liked to run my drums into a malestrom, and then connect a matrix or two, to the back inputs on the malestrom. make some rythmic patterns on the matrix, and then patch into the various inputs (like filter, mod, etc) and see what kind of sounds you can get. Very good for glitchy stuff, making lots of rythmic morphing sounds ontop of the existing drums. |
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excellent programming. i like the song, especially the faint singing in the background. |
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i will say this only once fucking hell jesus h. christ on a fucking rubber crutch it's the bomb |
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yeah, not bad...I agree with Zeus about compression, it is needed. You also stopped the beat flowing properly...you did build up after build up, but you really need to sustain the pattern, albeit with a continuing variation, the way it is now it feels more like patterns joined together than development or evolution. You included a few good techniques in there. It was enjoyable. I would have just liked a bit of further development. |
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Add another mixer (just like any other reason machine) and put the master out of that into one channel of the other mixer. Put all your drums into that second mixer. That way you can treat the drums as a whole (for fades, compression/fx) or as a seperates (fading individual parts- fading closed hit hats gently out over 4 bars then fast back in on an open one sounds good, or for seperate compression/rendering different drum parts off as wavs for use with external VSTs). I chain my mixers in real life for extra channels/more features :) RE: CPU usage. Chaining mixers won't massively eat CPU. However, with the subtractors, it may be worth making loads of percussion synth patches, then exporting them as single hit wavs (once you're happy with the sound as it sits in a particular track) and load them into redrum. Remember, within reason (the concept of logic- not the program!) you can get loads of even reaktor synths etc. playing together, by rendering each completed part off to wav and when that becomes too much (IE your PC can't handle 22 simultaneous wavs) you start merging them togehter- putting all the percussion to a single wav, all the strings together etc. It's time consuming, constrictive (need to save lots of versions of the song and re-render in order to go back and change something/remove a part) and eats HD space, but it's a good workaround on old machines. It's not impossible, I've done tracks with about 3 absynth instances and loads of fx on my parents old machine that way. |
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guerilla music making |
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THanks Ceri -- I've used that method before, and it pushes patience to the extreme - that is bascially how I sequence on CoolEdit. Oscillik, thanks for your very nice comment! Lee: RE the continuity -- I could send you the Reason file so that you could see that it isn't really patterns stuck to gether, and with further lissening that would be apparent ;) It mutates, sometimes subtly, sometimes not :D Thanks for listening [: |
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nice track |
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Thanks Very Much, Cheffe! :) |
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No, I didn't mean you had used patterns stuck together...I meant rather than the beats flowing, it sort of gets a rhythm up which then sort of dropped back. I can't really convey exactly what I mean, I suppose the only way that I could sort of explain it (although rather shittily) is that while the technical development is very good the rhythm development lags behind a bit. |
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heh, OK :) I could still easy send you the reason file for you to have a look at, if you wanted? |
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Provided you aren't sending it just to prove a point, I would love to take a look at it :D |
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Just for you to have a look at! Do I have your email address? |
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In my profile mate :) |
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*SENT* ! |
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did you use the standard factory sound bank files? if so, could you maybe send me a copy of the reason song file? even if it's only a Reason Published Song file, i'd be interested in seeing how you pulled this one off :) my email is in my profile |
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haha, fuck me you put a lot of work into that....very impressive, you have got patience I am more than envious of :D |
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Paul would you mind if I remapped the instruments and added a bit of compression just to see how it would turn out? |
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Oscillik - sure I'll send you the reason file :) Lee -- having 48MB of RAM means to make music, maximum patience is required :D So I guess this is just a byproduct of that ;) In fact, the actual song title was meant to be "Making Music Is Torture" (I keep lists of possibly song titles), but I forgot the "Making" part! |
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Be my guest, lee - I'd love to hear the results - you could be credited as "mastered by.." :p |
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really nice marlowe ive been wanting to programme drums like that for ages but been to lazy maybe ill get to now ive been inspired. i do the same normally use reason loops and add a little bit here and there but i should just programme the mofo's. i have the drawback of no decent sample though (i dislike reason presets also) and i have trouble finding any. ive tried synthesizing drums on my ks but not had much luck i cant seem to come to grips with drum synthesis. pads, leads, motions, basses i can do just cant work out drums :s anyhow great work keep it up (and if you ever wanna supply beats for my tracks let me know ;) |
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oscilllik - SENT! taffo - I could send YOU the reason file also, if you wish ;) |
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yer go for it i wont be able to do anything till i reinstall reason but that should be soon email the mofo |
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checking mail now :) thanks |
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jesus. i need some major practice if i'm gonna do some drill tracks |
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OK - i've put the reason file on my Angelfire site - anyone who wants it to have a look, please, feel free! :) |
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Did you get it? Hotmail hit me with a Server Busy after I sent it! |
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yeh i got it thanks :) goddamn Microsoft Hotmail, eh? |
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Cheers hombre! I hope you enjoyed looking at it and studying it! XD! |
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well, at least i know that i've probably got about at least a whole years worth of practice to do!!!!!! |
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Nah, it's not that hard at all! Just put in heaps of different percussive hits, and let your imagination roam - the hardest part (and the funnest) is progressing in and keeping a flow! :D |
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...I had a thought - I tried to do some synthwork over the top, but didn't have the stamina left .. if someone wanted to do some synth work -- get the Reason file from my site and feel free! I'd love to hear the results! |
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Very nicely programmed lad...respect. What I'd like to know it how you came up with the track title. Does it actually represent something you think or is it only supposed to sound 'deep'? |
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I think I explained earlier in the thread, but I can't remember :D I keep lists of possible track titles, and one that I had was "Making music is torture", because I have only 48MB of RAM and an old CPU, so it was meant to indicate how frustrating it is... but when I saved the REASON file for the first time, I forgot to put the "making" (maybe the crazy percussion had subconsciously made me "forget" ;)..), and so I left is as "Music Is Torture" because I thought it sounded neat! :D Thank you for listeNiNg! |
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Fair enough, thank you :D |
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;) Do you like the song-title? I usually try to come up with interesting titles - some are more successful than others :D |
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Well, as you have noticed this title did make me wonder about its origins, so in that respect you have definately succeeded! And yes, I can totally imagine making music on a 48 MB RAM machine makes your head spin with utter frustration :D |
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nicety-nice drums, you nice man! what I normally do to create drums, when using reason, is I create one loop first that I run for a little while.. it'll normally sound thin, but then I create another loop, which I distort beyond recognition (that scream-distortion thingie in reason is actually pretty good, and that digital distortion sounds cool on percussion!!!), and then I play the two loops at the same time, panned 100% to each side.. that usually works out just fine! |
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how did you get a whale to sing for you in "01" and "02"? |
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Thanks very much for your kind words, Mastah ;) Now that I've had this work-out, I'm going to try to merge it with synth stuff, hopefully to create a full-length deal. With tracks 01 and 02, I have been hand-rearing whales since I was 16, and the new batch have been receiving singing lessons from a top professional! :D |
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