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offline goodhands team from bloomington (United States) on 2004-05-27 17:54 [#01211424]
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here is a website ran by a friend of a friend out
of rafah. if you are at all interested in the destruction
that occurs there on a daily basis, give a visit.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2004-05-27 17:59 [#01211436]
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also check this while you're at it.


 

offline goodhands team from bloomington (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:17 [#01211453]
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also check this out:

latest intefada death totals up to and including 2003:
israel deaths: less than 500
palestinian deaths: more than 2,000

who, then, is terrorizing who? and who, then, is
"retaliating" against who?


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:18 [#01211456]
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if thats your logic, then the US is terrorists in Iraq.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:19 [#01211457]
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so maybe i agree


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:20 [#01211458]
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nm


 

offline X-tomatic from ze war room on 2004-05-27 18:24 [#01211460]
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Oh my, that was some real shocking news!!!
*cough*sarcasm*cough*


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:25 [#01211461]
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lets just quote the great political analyst jack black:

ITS JUST A BIG HORNETS NEST!!!!!!! HORENTS NESTTTT!!!!!!!



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offline happy cycling from berlin on 2004-05-27 18:28 [#01211464]
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first of all,
another website from israel. the videos are especially lovely.

second,
the israeli security service has successfully foiled as many
as thirty suicide bombings in a single week. the number of
casualties the palestinians are consistently aiming at is
much, much higher than what they actually accomplish. the
suicide bombings that actually do occur constitute a small
fraction of ones attempted. combine that with the excellent
medical service and emergency response service israel has
developed as a response to palestinian terrorism, and you
get a very different picture.

you might also ask yourself why the gaza hamas has continued
killing israeli civilians (a mother and her four infant
children is one particular incident that comes to mind)
while the israeli prime minister was trying to approve a
plan to pull out of gaza and end the occupation there. then
you might answer that the hamas is not interested in an
israeli pull-out, because it would deligitimize their
struggle to "drive all jews to the sea" (as their charter
wonderfully puts it) from palestine and israel.

i'm not for the occupation (and, in the case of gaza, so are
over 70% of the israeli public, according to recent polls),
but if there's one thing i'm really against it's
college-students-cum-armchair-politicians with an
understanding of the conflict that stems from a bunch of
stoned discussions in their dorm room underneath a che
guevera flag.

just drop the topic. accept art as some saving grace in an
otherwise filthy humanity and keep it away from here.


 

offline goodhands team from bloomington (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:33 [#01211466]
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i agree 100%. in fact, if you look actual definition of
terrorism, it is:
"violence or intimidation committed by a group for political
purposes."

sounds like iraq to me.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-05-27 18:38 [#01211478]
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Let's have a fight on here about who is right, then when
only one person is left typing, they can email Israel and
tell them who is allowed to bomb and who isn't.


 

offline goodhands team from bloomington (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:48 [#01211489]
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i dont hate jews. i dont hate any 'race'. or anything like
that...jsut to get that out of the way. i DO hate
governments that kill lots and lots of people. and justify
it. as an american, ive grown to know such kinds of
governments. because we are the most guilty. yeah, you can
say what you want about policies, and college students (im
not in college), and i will keep saying this:

"Total number of Palestinian deaths & injuries in West Bank
& Gaza since Sept 29th, 2000 is 2,986 deaths, 26,223
injuries. (Figures inclusive to May. 21, 2004)."
-red crescent

"Between September 29, 2000 and May 1, 2004, Magen David
Adom treated a total of 6,314 casualties as follows:
847 killed, 549 severely injured, 784 moderately and 4,134
lightly injured, among them 11 MDA staff members.'
-israeli ministry of foreign affairs.

you say youre against the occupation. i would hope that
part of the reaon is b/c of the massive amount of people
israel is killing. its certainly why im against the
occupation of iraq by the us. b/c those numbers are like
800 (us) to somewhere near 10,000 (iraq).




 

offline goodhands team from bloomington (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:59 [#01211512]
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well, israel doesnt use 'bombs', they use missles that they
drop from helicopters, and most recently in the last week,
f16s. israel has nuclear weapons, fighter jets, and laser
guided missles. and in the last four years have killed more
foreign civilians in the middle east than any other mideast
state. (i would say more than any other country, but america
holds that distinction) yet, the american policy geared
towards WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION and TERRORISM (see
previous definition) IN THE MIDDLE EAST seems to skip over
israels conduct. only now has the US obstained form a vote
(that they previously vetoed EVERY FUCKING TIME) by the UN
condemming israels conduct.


 


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