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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-25 14:12 [#01206858]
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I have had mine since october and haven't noticed any battery decrease. The batteries seem to last if you take care of them... apparently keeping them topped up regularly is preferable to repeated full drains / full charges. (unlike my phone which died because of me doing that :[ )
BTW, you can pick up new batteries (3rd party) for something like $35.00 online, I read. A bit better than the $99.00 apple is charging.
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-25 14:15 [#01206859]
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Um just checked, that was the 1st & 2nd gen price... not sure about the latest.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-25 14:18 [#01206867]
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The batteries are fine as long as you use it properly and don't put it on charge whenever you aren't using it - let it drain before you charge it. The people that have been going mad about the batteries have had their ipod like 18 months and it fucks up, but that's just how batteries are. I don't remember apple promising me anything about a super magical everlasting infinitebattery.
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-27 08:15 [#01210363]
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they`re great...but the battery is shit but you only notice it when your actaully traveling for more than 8 hours which is not often...i wish i`d went for the 40 instead of 20 as i`m full up now and wish i could add more.....time to delete that john cleese reading dantes inferno methinks. if you have the blacklight on, eq and are changing tracks every track the battery life really plumetts to about 4-5 hours, but if you are sensible then you can milk double that....it just really varys....the accessories cost a ridiulous amount also. i`ve used some of the other MP3 players and it`s really itunes and the nice design that sets the ipod well above them......i wish they`d get a line in accessory tho=[
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-05-27 08:31 [#01210390]
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I still can't understand why they only put a 8hr battery in. My last MDisc had 50hrs or so.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-27 08:32 [#01210394]
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2nd gen ipod had 10 hours, thats the one i want to get, plus i like the layout of the buttons and overall design better than the new ones
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-05-27 08:34 [#01210398]
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2nd gen. Are that the ones for sale now? I was hoping the Mini would have longer battery capacity, but it's 8hrs
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-27 08:42 [#01210406]
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mini's hard drive is too small for the price. 3rd gen are on sale now.
2nd gen
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Eddy Wally
from leuven (Belgium) on 2004-05-27 09:55 [#01210506]
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can anyone recommend me a mp3 player which you can wire to your mixer (line-in port), so you can record the mixes and put them after that on your pc.
some of the iriver mp3players can do this, but they have a small hard drive and are expensive, anyone have one of these?
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2004-05-27 10:18 [#01210539]
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i have an ipod, 1st gen 5mb. i really wish i had waited now but i still love it. it's worked great over the past year & 1/2, battery hasn't gone down much...is a wonderful music companion. itrip is fun too!
my girlfriend just got a 20mb on sunday and she seems to be having battery problems already. :(
check this -> home made iPod battery. haven't tried yet, but it sounds intriguing!
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2004-05-27 10:22 [#01210549]
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Holy shit! How much is that recorder, Drunken Mastah?
8 HOURS battery life on the I-POD? That is utter BULLSHIT. Fuck it, Im not getting one. My Minidisc player had a 48 hour battery life.
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ifkardo
from 785.8 mb of radio babylon (Equatorial Guinea) on 2004-05-27 10:34 [#01210566]
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cleese reading dante! omg! d-don't delete this ... yet, how about a pass to little ole me?
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Chris Ochre
on 2004-05-27 11:02 [#01210617]
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http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=8776
Apparently Microsoft will provide something to rival the iPod in style and build quality, yet 80% cheaper.
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-05-28 05:29 [#01212071]
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Can anyone post pics of 2nd and 1st gen Iopd?
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child810
from boston (United States) on 2004-05-28 07:03 [#01212148]
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"companies are developing some devices that will "look and feel'" as good as the iPod, while others will offer flash-based memory players that will sell for as little as $50"
The flash-based players will be as litle as $50. The iPod rival will probably closer to the iPod in pricing. But look like shit. As every microsoft product does.
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godataloss
from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-05-28 13:07 [#01212641]
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Ipod _killer
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godataloss
from Cleveland (United States) on 2004-05-28 13:08 [#01212644]
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fuck! Ipod_killerLAZY_TITLE
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-05-28 14:04 [#01212737]
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it´s 6-8 hours, it depends on how much you turn your iPod on and off, because everytime the iPod have to spin up de harddrive
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-28 14:12 [#01212741]
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1GB compared to 20-40GB? Ipod killer, i doubt it.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-28 14:14 [#01212742]
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i already did but i'll post the link again
ipod2ndgen
1st looks more or less the same, i much prefer the 2nd gen design over the new ones.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-28 18:03 [#01213035]
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to buy or not to buy?
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-05-29 05:13 [#01213368]
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Yes. of course. I think I have to buy one
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-05-29 06:48 [#01213448]
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im pissing myself!
im so gonna get a 20 gig, 3rd generation one :)
nothing wrong with the battery there right?
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 06:54 [#01213453]
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2nd gen batteries last longer
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-30 14:13 [#01215304]
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well i finally took the plunge and won this on ebay
ipod
most of my music will fit on it, i'd have prefered a bigger hard drive but this is the biggest 2nd gen ipod and the others are way too expensive
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-30 14:45 [#01215335]
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MiniDisc players have 40 hour batter life because they use disposable alkaline batteries (as far as i'm aware) whereas the iPod has a built in lithium-ion battery which, if you are accustomed to using rechargeable batteries you will know that they never have the same power output longevity as alkaline batteries.
please don't forget that the iPod is an external FireWire hard disk drive. With moving parts. a backlight display. built in amplifier. That stuff does take power. Not that I'm saying MiniDisc players don't have moving parts and stuff, it's just as I said before - MiniDisc players (to the best of my knowledge) use disposable batteries.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-30 15:42 [#01215403]
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Most minidisc players use small lithium ion batteries although some have an optional screw on unit to allow the use of alkaline batteries.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-30 15:49 [#01215408]
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ah, they must be the newer ones then.
the only MiniDisc players i ever saw were ones that held one single AA battery in the actual player - it didn't require an optional unit
thanks for the correction :)
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-30 15:51 [#01215411]
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And because it's lithium ion the best thing you can do is to keep topping it up regularly, rather than doing full drain->full charge as you might expect. Regular, random charges will make it last the longest.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-30 15:52 [#01215412]
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There was a range of cheaper Sony players that used one AA battery in the unit, but the very first Minidisc player I owned, shortly after they came out used a stick nicad battery that was shit beyond beleif.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-30 15:55 [#01215416]
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The thing with lithium ion batteries is that if they are discharged they should be recharged as soon as possible otherwise they lose their activity. Older ni-cad batters have a condition known as charge memory (there is probably a more technical term) where charges before they are completely empty reduce the life span of the batteries (both in recharge potential and the power held after recharge).
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-05-30 15:58 [#01215422]
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as far as i'm aware, it's just called the Memory Effect.
That's the reason i bought nickel metal hydride rechargeables for my gameboy advance - they don't suffer from the memory effect
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-06-12 10:49 [#01236568]
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NiMH accus can suffer from mem effect too, only it takes longer for it to show up
any electrochemical cell will eventually die because of it, the electrode materials will 'leak' into the electrolyte.
thats why i havent got an ipod yet, im afraid the battery will die
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-06-12 10:51 [#01236572]
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oh now i know why i brought this up. i was wondering about the headphone jack on the creative zen, is it really that bad?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-12 10:52 [#01236576]
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well then i should sue the people who made my battery charger and batteries, because they clearly stated on the packaging that they don't suffer from memory effects
fucking false advertisers!
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-12 10:53 [#01236579]
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i bought a second hand ipod which is over 2 years old and the battery is fine, obviously it doesn't last as much as it did brand new but its fine for now. You can always replace the battery cheaply and easily anyway. I really can't understand the fuss about the ipod batteries.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-06-12 10:55 [#01236581]
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my digital camera's batteries are NiMH too, and i really notice a degradation in battery life after a year of use :(
pantalaimon: whats the difference between the ipod generations?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-12 10:56 [#01236584]
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damn :(
fuckers
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-06-12 11:02 [#01236595]
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True memory only happens in sintered plate NiCd cells (which aren't necessarily the sort of NiCd you're using, and are of course completely different from any kind of NiMH cell), and it only happens when you precisely discharge a cell to exactly the same level over and over again, and recharge it without any overcharge. True memory effect happens in satellite power systems, electronics test labs, and practically nowhere else.
Cheap trickle chargers always overcharge if you leave them long enough, and quality consumer NiCd chargers also slightly overcharge, because the slight voltage drop that happens when you do that is what they use to pick the end of the charge cycle. So even if you're using sintered plate NiCds, which you're probably not, your charger will cure memory effect anyway.
What people nowadays call memory effect is a combination of two things.
One - cell aging. Batteries don't last forever. The older they get, the less capacity they have. Live with it.
Two - "voltage depression". Voltage depression is a problem with NiCd batteries and, according to some sources, also with NiMH, and it doesn't affect the battery capacity much at all. Rather, the battery voltage drops unusually quickly as it discharges. Gadgets that monitor their battery voltage therefore think the battery's flat earlier than they should. There may be lots of capacity left at the slightly depressed voltage, but the gadget doesn't know that and flashes its "low battery" warning.
Fully discharging cells cures voltage depression, but if you fully discharge a whole battery then the stronger cells in the battery will "reverse" the weaker ones. The weaker ones go flat first, and then get charged backwards by the others. This is very bad for the weaker cells, and will kill a battery pack quick smart. So don't do it.
google came up with this
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-12 11:03 [#01236597]
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JAroen, the battery expert
do you work for Duracell?
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-06-12 11:06 [#01236599]
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no, im a chemistry nerd :D
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-12 11:09 [#01236602]
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and you also like softcore bondage?
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-06-12 11:19 [#01236613]
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spank me baby!
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-12 11:23 [#01236617]
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1st and 2nd have the longest battery life as they have bigger batteries
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