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With one do you use and why? |
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FL Studio: I know it pretty much inside out, it's good at what it's made for and it's decent as a VST host. I'm a real novice at cubase and I'm a lot slower working in it. I also can't really tell much of a difference in sound quality between the two and I feel there's at least some degree of "Emperors New Clothes" about it (although it may be my monitors/ears)- it's more expensive/established, so it's better by proxy. I also think a lot of people make a point of learning Cubase simply to be taken more seriously. |
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I use Cubase... I don't think it sounds better than other sequencers - that should be down to the synths - but I find it more versatile. You can do pretty much anything with it (with the right knowledge & plugins) |
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Yep- that's my thinking... VST synths don't sound much different from program to program :) |
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I love FL but I have real problems with it forgetting the settings of my vst patches every time I reopen a song so I have to reconfigure them all each time which fucking blows. I wish they would fix that (or perhaps im doing something wrong) |
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:p that could be a bad thing... a lot of newbies can spin out professional sounding stuff with no real talent. |
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On crappy software, i should have said. |
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nothing beats the cubase's sequencer. it's simply the best one |
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I hate drum programming in cubase |
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u just not very good at it i suppose :) |
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Cubase. I'm rather peeved at how many VSTis and effects don't work properly though, in what's supposed to be the standard VST host. A lot of effects work more reliably in Live... |
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Logic > FL > Cubase. I just can't use Cubase. I find it irritating as fuck. Which is irritating, because I'm starting a Music Technology course at a University fitted with Cubase-installed computer in September. |
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Its just so very un-intuitive. |
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what's so irritating about it? |
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Do you use the standard cubase drum sequencer? |
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i use the midi sequencer, yes. |
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I can't really explain. I just don't like using it. Largely, no doubt, because I was using Logic from the age of 14, three years before I ever used Cubase, so nothing is ever where I expect it. Plus I think it looks awful, and I always find it gives stupid errors and inconsistencies that I can't be coping with. |
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It looks nice now! 5.1 was shite. |
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maybe you have a cracked version? it's not very stable. it's the one i have, but i live with it (just remember to save often). THAT can be irriating yes, but it's just much better and versatile than reason f.e. |
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I agree - I fucking despise Cubase for drum programming. It feels so rigid and constricting, especially using their braindead drum map editor. And the piano roll sucks too. You have to keep switching tools. In FL you just right click to delete a note and use ctrl-alt-shift modifiers to do various things with the pencil. In general FL has a better layout for the kind of workflow you get into when making modern electronic music. Cubase evolved from a more traditional musical perspective, so it sucks when it comes to automating and tweaking and production tricks. Unfortunately I'm not fond of the way FL's audio engine colors the sound of my VSTis (basically it rolls off the high end and makes the midrange sound kinda ragged if there are lots of channels in the mix) so I'm gonna work in Cubase for track-making - with FL as the drum programming plugin of course. :-) |
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Isn't FL Studio the same kinda format as Reason? If so, I can't see how its comparible to Cubase. Completely different beasts IMO |
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I've messed with cubase for a day once and I made one song that I never finished. It was like a year ago. I just uploaded so you can listen. I used the normal lm drum machine. Nothing too schmazzy. You can fucking HEAR how annoyed I am lol. [spam] |
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To be honest I am a little frustrated with the drum programming mostly due to the fact that I've never learned it properly. I have been trying out new methods of programming including tracking (within cubase) which is proving interesting :p I'd like for there to be some more interesting programming features, a la msp. |
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FL Studio is a sort of halfway house between reason and cubase, although you can't really compare them. FL has a step sequencer that's good for quickly progrmaming drums, good control over parameter automation (including ones on VSTis, so long as they are midi controlable) a piano roll for melody (and a handy chord tool) as well as lots of FX channels. The "export" options are better than Reason's too- you can do "acidised" loops, wav files, MP3s etc, individual patterns, whole tracks etc. Also the "save as zipped loop" feature is better than Reason's equivalent (making it handy for collaboration). |
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cubase cos i dont know how to use anyhtin else |
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That sounds quite cool actually :) Although I could never give up the ability to record random shit and chop the fuck out of it!! |
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cubase or floops ? difficult question... i choose reason :D |
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I tend to use a combination of wavelab (sometimes soundforge), midiox and floops, so there's really a lot of what you can do in cubase, just spread across several programs. When I feel like using something "all in one" either for something simple of for speed of use (like "sketching" a track before reworking/polishing it in floops) I use Reason. I will learn cubase though... I'm always learning new software. Nice to have more weapons in your arsenal :) |
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is why I love FL. (right click and save as) Try doing that in Cubase. |
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You can totally do that in fruity. The Slicer tool is handy for that. Plus you can just chop it up in recycle and import it. |
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what a load of bullshit. it isn't easy to make professional sounding stuff in no matter what programme. cubase has more midi possibilities and is easier and better to use when you have hardware. fruity is a simple programme but it is good at what is does. if you don't have good knowledge of producing, your tracks will sound crap. even if you use cubase or logic or ..... it's not the brush but the painter. talent is not always needed when making music. it's something that can be learned over a period of time. like playing an instrument, the more you play the better you get. |
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true to an extent - the instrument can still be limited and therefore limiting. |
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I use FL 3.56. I tried the studio but just couldn't be bothered to get acquainted with it. I loveFfloops because I know how to do everything on it. Have never tried Cubase and wouldn't mind giving it a go. For me though there is no point in moving from Floops as it gives me the freedom to do whatever I want. |
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Heh, apart from the fact that with a sequencer you are writing music, not merely playing an instrument. You're telling me that the quality of a music-maker depends on how long he's been practicing? You can know all the tricks in the book and sound like shit. BTW, you might have misinterpreted my original point. I was trying to say that most music made by software can rival for example modern commercial dance music. 10 years ago you could never have created a commercial-quality sound from something that cost you 40 quid. I'm not saying you can make proffesional quality music in such programs, but you can get pretty close to the SOUND (from a non-musician's ear). |
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yeah I did misinterpret your post :) but yes the longer you make music the better you get. i know it doesn't only depend on that but experience plays a great role. just compare your first tracks to your latest tracks. people who just start with making music make more or less mediocre or crap music. after a year or 2 things get better and you develop your own way of making music. it was the same with me. |
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Yeah, I would agree with that, certainly in electronic music you can use your engineering skills as a form of creativity. Although I have to say my first tracks would blow most people's minds. I used to kick avante-garde techno rythms in the womb, or so I'm told. Yeeeeaa :p |
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*ahem* |
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im a fl boy myself though im dabbling with cubase but fl is lovely simple and its really professional when you get to know it well enough. i sequnce all my synths and stuff with it |
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I find it incredibly annoying to sequence with any software that doesnt have a right-click delete feature. |
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Hmm never thought of that, that would be nice. Hmm |
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It is true that these days almost anyone can put together a half decent sounding demo with next to no experience or natural talent. Software like Fruityloops and Reason (I use both myself) mean you can start off just "painting by numbers", which anyone could learn to do in a matter of hours, and get passable results. On other forums, I've seen people post tracks, who've only started making music a few days before - And the tunes, whilst horrible and completely unimaginitive, do sound fairly tight and professional by all accounts. It's much easier to blag it now than it was a few years ago. Making electronic music used to be shrouded in mystery, and would involve learning how to engineer a mix pretty before you could do anything (as every hardware sampler and synth has its own sound and mix space, so they don't just automatically work together). Cubase/Fruity Loops? I did use Fruity Loops for a bit last year, but I found it had a very generic sound, which I liked at first, but got tired off pretty quickly. Cubase SX sounds great, and the summing seems very analog-like - You don't need to leave massive headroom on everything like you do in Logic, and most other sequencers. Logic always sounded too unsued and dreamlike to me - Very sharp top-end, and nice soft bass, but not very true to the source, and only really suitable for some kinds of music. Cubase & Pro Tools sound quite similar to me - Although Cubase SX seems to sound a little fuller and more upfront than Pro Tools. Reason has got the most recognisable sound - It's partly down to this awful distortion they put on every mixer channel to try to get it to act more like analog summing - But it sounds much better Rewired. |
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Cubase SX sounds great, and the summing seems very analog-like Yes indeed. The audio engine is very well designed - the headroom tapers mathematically so you don't get clipping in individual tracks, and you just need to stick a limiter on the master track. And I find it's very clear and faithful to the source. On the downside remote controlling automation is a pain in Cubase and requires a lot more planning and forethought than FL where you can just right click and auto-accept a cotroller when you turn the knob. Also, Cubase can get boomy, but hey it's always better to whittle away with the EQ than to add. |
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I didn't realise there was such a difference in tonality between sequencers. Good to know I'm with a good one then. |
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