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i recently bought a bunch of CDs and the first thing i wanted to do was back them all up and burn copies so that i could keep the originals from getting all fucked up. i decided to back them up in FLAC format. being opensource, free, lossless, and not WMA were all considered reasons for choosing flac. comparing my madvillainy mp3 cd to the one i burnt from the flac files i can definately tell a difference in quality. the mp3s were 192kbit, and they sound noticably less sharp. filesizes are obviously bigger though. Figaro is 2:25 long, the 192kbit mp3 is 3.414 MB, the flac file at highest compression is 13.334 MB. roughly 4 times larger. still though, i think i'm gonna back up all of my original CDs using flac. storage space is really cheap now, and backing up without losing any quality at all is worth it imo. anyone else using FLAC, or have thoughts about it? will it still be around in 3 or 4 years? oh, i'm using CDex to rip and nero to burn. |
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"hmm.." interesting.. but it makes me think, how can there ever really be such a thing as lossless compression..? |
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yes i have been using flac for a while now. |
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it's like a zip file. crazy mathmatical algorithms and shit... but, all the data is still there. |
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Q4Z2X - ever tried zipping a text file? when you unzipped it, was there missing information? high compression and lossless _are_ incompatible terms when it comes to media. 50% compression and lossless are very obviously possible. try ripping a CD to an uncompressed wav, then encoding that wav to a flac, then decoding the flac to a wav, then comparing them... you'll notice that they're identical. the flac encoder even hashes to make sure of that. I use flac as I am a GNU/linux junkie. it's been around for a while, and will remain for a while. it's computationally inexpensive to play back, easily manipulable with opensource utilities, and offers pretty damn good compression (about 56% vs uncompressed). Personally, I wouldn't use anything else. For reference, I have a direct digital out of my laptop --> bel canto dac2 --> ppa --> ety 4S... if an algorithm were lossy, i reckon it'd be apparent. epohs - note that windows' internal mixer resamples all audio which is no good for sound quality. consider using foobar2k with kernel streaming to bypass the mixer or switching to linux and using ALSA to handle the audio. or if you're lazy, using OSX. sorry if i come off as a pedant in this post but uh i'm a nerd. |
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maybe if the answer to an equation is output through the speakers rather than just static data. Say 101001010 cubed by 1001101110111 = the full data of the track you want to hear. youl'd only need to store the question not the result. |
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"hmm.." again, interesting.. so it's not like a file that a software "player" can play..? it needs to be extracted and everything, before it can be played or burnt? if that's the case, it makes total sense. |
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ah. okay. i see now. |
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there is a plugin for winamp, and it works great |
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i run SuSE linux on a another machine (and love it), but my XP box is quite a bit faster. :) |
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so the moral of the story is that everyone should be using flac! :) |
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and vorbis |
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Sounds cool, a little large for my setup though. Will this replace MP3's eventually? And do you think there will come a point when compression isn't even needed? (10 years?) |
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Flac is excellent, but I have a hard time telling Lame VBR MP3s from the original CDs. With 192k CBR, yes, you can hear a difference, but if you encode with --alt-preset standard to produce VBR files, probably not. And they're not much larget than 192k files if at all. |
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this kind of lossless compression will always be around.. or at least for the forseeable future. i mean, since it doesn't really need to be decompressed to be played, and since no quality is lost it seems like the best of both worlds. smaller filesize - same quality. and, i'd say CDs will be obsolete before long and distributing digital music directly like iTunes & bleep will become mainstream.. so some sort of file format will stick around. |
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"and, i'd say CDs will be obsolete before long and distributing digital music directly like iTunes & bleep will become mainstream.. so some sort of file format will stick around." *Raises eyebrow* Not everyone is uber-1337 like us IDM fans: the largest growing market segment for record sales (for albums) is people in their 30s. Even if tech-savvy youth go all out MP3, the oldies will still want their CD/DVD/Whatever audio. |
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i have no idea what the hell you are talking about |
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GNU is for hippies like RMS |
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yeah, it ain't going to happen tommorow or anything. but i'd say the success of iTunes is undeniable, and more and more people are becoming comfortable with burning CDs. it may not ever completely take over, but it's definately gonna grow and take a big bite out of the audio hard copy market. and, anyway the upper edge of IDM fans are creeping into their 30s now.. i turn 26 next week, and i jumped on the bandwagon late. |
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you're probably running gnome, kde, or another overbloated windowmanager. they're neat, but there's definite bloat issues that have to be looked at. gnome's been rather successful, 2.6 is quite zippy, apparently. |
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Its nice that the mp3's are worse quality than CD/LP. Because I've noticed when some diffrences in some sounds when I buy the release as a CD/LP, so its nice in my opinion |
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and i'd probably use flac if i didn't have so many damn mp3's. i'm up to 280gig or something now. |
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You gotta try Gentoo. Maybe it's the custom kernel, maybe they know better optimizztion flags to complile the Gnome and KDE components, I dunno - but it's the fastest, most responsive Linux distro I've ever used for a desktop system. Gnome was almost as responsive on a 500mHz celeron as Windows 2000 on a 2.4 gHz P4. And KDE was, like, wow |
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eh. better things to do then wait 10 days for kde to compile. and i'm a debian zealot :-) |
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I didn't compile anything except the kernel - didn't even want to bother with that but that's the way it is. I downloaded the stage [whatever] install packages that were all precompiled. |
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xltronic vibes compilation should be in flac or higher mp3 bitrate compressed - it is not of high quality sound yet :( |
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the problem with fucking around with linux too much is that i'm on dial-up at home, which makes downloading different distros pretty much impossible. hopefully dsl will become available to me soon and i'll get to tinker around more. even installing new programs on linux is a bitch at home. tracking down vague rpm dependancies isn't fun. how the fuck do i know where to get azzluv3.1-6? |
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slashdot has an ... i wouldn't normally link to it, but it mentioned Sony's new ATRAC-3 codec. looks like it came in last. They don't mention FLAC in the comparison, but since it's lossless i'd imagine there's not really a need to compare. it should be identical to the original. another thing i've noticed that i love about flac is that it doesn't have those little gaps of silence at the beggining and end of tracks that mp3s have. so you can burn CDs whose tracks flow seamlessly together. |
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