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dadonck from ZUHAUSE on 2002-01-05 20:13 [#00066496] | |||||||||
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i hate this programm it stops creativity and iv you come with that i have no money thing...........man...be creative be IRIE |
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Ceri JC from My house in Pontypridd, Wales, UK on 2002-01-05 20:16 [#00066497] | |||||||||
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It is good. |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-05 20:30 [#00066498] | |||||||||
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it doesn't stop creativity... maybe you're blaming your problems on the program, and not the fact that maybe you stink? :) |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-05 20:31 [#00066499] | |||||||||
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Ouch... Funk, that made me grin! |
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dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breathing fire on 2002-01-05 20:38 [#00066500] | |||||||||
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I think that fruity loops and all of the other software packages are great for the beginner/home musician but id sooner have some hardware like some drum machines and some synth sound modules n stuff! but it all comes down to money and personal choice in the end i suppose. |
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jizzah from the innercity on 2002-01-05 20:50 [#00066503] | |||||||||
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bah drum machines are in the past... software is the future, maybe not fruityloops but logic/ cubase/ pro tools... hardware will be going the way of the dinosaurs, oh hear me yes... look at popular artists. there all using laptops and SOFTWARE. maybe the occasional sampler and midikeyboard/ controller. but software always. |
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dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breathing fire on 2002-01-05 20:57 [#00066507] | |||||||||
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I happen to use the full version of Digi designs pro-tools in conjunction with my hardware and as for software being the future i dont think so maybe in the sequencing hard disc recording world but ill think you will find that the computers digital out put synths are alot weaker than the anolog synths! hell knows! whos right and whos wrong? |
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dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breathing fire on 2002-01-05 20:59 [#00066508] | |||||||||
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i dont here any of us on top of the pops ggrrrrrrrrrr! |
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jizzah from the innercity on 2002-01-05 21:02 [#00066510] | |||||||||
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that last statement i can agree with. |
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rF from inside a speaker column on 2002-01-06 04:12 [#00066575] | |||||||||
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buzz |
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muir from sac on 2002-01-06 08:48 [#00066627] | |||||||||
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you can make a good song with anything. just cause you couldnt get it to do anything you liked doesnt mean the program sucks. you do however need to stop using all of the preset sounds and start adding your own samples and loops to the mix. dont use the softsynths in it. dont use anything other than the blank canvas for sound and you can definetly get it to do some crazy stuf. heck.. i know a guy that makes professional music(and gets paid for it) using nothing more than hammer head tracker and cool edit. |
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Mutant Death Pengwin from Medicine Hat on 2002-01-06 09:03 [#00066628] | |||||||||
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software haters: 1] aphex twin uses software. 2] creativity does not require hardware 3] software makes creating music accesible to everyone 4] software is easier to use that hardware 5] you can use software to do more than hardware 6] software is cheaper than hardware 7] software takes up alot less space than hardware 8] software is the future 9] you can get software anywhere 10] most artists use software in one way or another i am sick of the software haters. you guys are annoying. you don't software, i don't care. most people don't care. keep your software hating to yourself. |
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rF from inside a speaker column on 2002-01-06 14:16 [#00066648] | |||||||||
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although, hardware is better because in a live situation, you won't look bored.. i'm kinda neutral on the software vs. hardware debate anyway ie. i use software to create my tracks, then in live performances i recreate the music with hardware: keyboards, guitars, drum machines, effects etc.. od can back me up here, he's seen us (fragilenine) play live.. |
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oxen runo on 2002-01-06 14:32 [#00066650] | |||||||||
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theres nothin wrong with software. But there are some programs that really stops creativity, for ex fruity loops. |
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Dirty Priest from Denmark on 2002-01-06 15:13 [#00066659] | |||||||||
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because? |
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Mutant Death Pengwin from Medicine Hat on 2002-01-06 15:29 [#00066665] | |||||||||
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how does only certain software and hardware stop creativity? please enligthen me because if you are creative you will find an outlet no matter what. |
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Mutant Death Pengwin from Medicine Hat on 2002-01-06 15:31 [#00066666] | |||||||||
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oh yeah, rf i tottally agree with you on the using hardware for live gigs. without hardware there would be no show. |
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dadonck on 2002-01-06 21:00 [#00066699] | |||||||||
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i dont hate software at all ......but fruity lopps is tooo easy to use.......its winkywanky.......you just download or CRACK (i dont know the fucking word) it. so many of these LOLguyies use it and think they were great musicians....you have to make DOGMAS......for example you have a mic a mixer a shitty drumcomputer and ai cassette recorder you can make your own style of music..... when you make a track with fruity loops and send it to rephlex you will get nothing but a laugh........ SEND ME YOUR MUSIC YOU MADE WITH FRUITY LOOPS .....maybe its irie and good and i am a fucking idiot but by the way......a lot of you like I CARE BECAUSE YOU DO from rich more than drukqs.....DRUKQS is just computer ICBYD is real analog !!!!!!!!!! |
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dadonck on 2002-01-06 21:03 [#00066700] | |||||||||
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sorry my english is low for fruity samples: my e-mail is dadonck@gmx.de make me feeling bad |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-07 02:30 [#00066753] | |||||||||
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it makes no difference... whatever you want to use you can make great music from... it's not the program, or the equipment, it's the person making the music... |
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od from perth on 2002-01-07 04:25 [#00066790] | |||||||||
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yair i think what you use has only a small influence on how good the output is. the output has a LOT more to do with how much talent you have. i have a feeling a lot of ppl are probably making shit tracks and blaming their equipment for it, lol. i mean obviously if you use a stick and a rock youre not gonna be able to make an orchestral piece or anything. |
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Kosmonautis from Goo on 2002-01-07 07:59 [#00066838] | |||||||||
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I agree with u funkmaster! And the best software or hardware is the one you know better!! |
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muir from sac on 2002-01-07 12:33 [#00066882] | |||||||||
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i think part of the hatred for this software is the "techno" look of it which i agree is slightly annoying. and the fact that it has alot of crappy sounds that come with it. but lets look at what it really can do -play samples and adjust any pitch pan filter or volume. -sequence entire songs -sequence or sync external gear -use vst and direct x effects (ie reverb, eq, delay) -use arpeggiators on any sample, or external gear. -the fruity slicer function is quite handy! (scratcher sucks so hard though!) -record progressive "knob" movements. -internal "knob" controllers (useful in so many ways if you knew the program well enough to use them properly) -use as many tracks and samples as your computer can possibly handle. im missing lots of stuff as well. what part of that arent you liking? i dont think its the best program out there but i use it all the time. its simple(thats a bad thing?) and its fun(important!) and it gets the job done damnit. |
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waveman on 2002-01-07 13:03 [#00066892] | |||||||||
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i like fruity loops because it makes it easy to get the sounds from my head and onto the pc. to prove to myself that FL doesn't kill creativity. i imported some of the aphex midis on this site (avril 14th, kesson daslef, beetles) into FL, and you know what? it sounded just like aphex twin. the point is it doesn't matter what you use, all the decent progs are almost the same, and with all the VSTi, VST and DX plugins (and buzz instruments too) out there its not hard to make an orginal sound |
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rF from inside a speaker column on 2002-01-07 13:17 [#00066894] | |||||||||
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what difference does it make if you use samples in fruityloops to make your music instead of using a sampler and a sequencer? you'll still get the same sounds.. |
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Sound Assassin from UK on 2002-01-07 14:41 [#00066917] | |||||||||
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Its a piece of shit, but if you've got no money..... |
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Chrispy from UK on 2002-01-07 14:58 [#00066921] | |||||||||
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I use Music2000 on the PS... Its cool but It doesnt have enough memory by a long shot to handle more that one external sample... I've yet to upload my tunes on the net. I dont call myself a musician but I enjoy making music and harmonies... Does this count for anything? |
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Chrispy from UK on 2002-01-07 14:59 [#00066922] | |||||||||
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Oh... I use my piano first usually.... I play around and make coold sounding tunes and adopt it to my PS |
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dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breathing fire on 2002-01-07 15:02 [#00066925] | |||||||||
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i dont hate- a. software b.people who use software my problem being that a.anolog is physicaly stronger in acoustic character compared with music made in the digital domain thus when playing back music made on a computer without the use of external anolog sound modules the signal is often realy flat! plus if you are using home stereo equipment i.e. amp and hifi speakers the music that you make wont even play true on any system if you havent mixed down on professional monitors and a studio amp! buy a professional audio engineers manual (huber and runsteins) modern recording techniques fith edition it has everything you need to know! |
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dadonck on 2002-01-07 17:12 [#00066956] | |||||||||
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sounds good what funkmaster saying but i still hate it....you havent the full control.........it has no realtime and i think you cant make it sound interesting for me.....making music just with your mouth would be better |
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grinningcat from london UK on 2002-01-07 18:05 [#00066966] | |||||||||
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i dont usually reply to these arguments as i have recently moved from just software to software/hardware based studio but i had to reply to this shite: 1] aphex twin uses software. yes, and aphex uses a whole lotta hardware too. whats that thing his mum said - richard you have soo many machines or something. 2] creativity does not require hardware true. but then creativity dosent require software either, that dosent mean you shud use a dustbin lid to make all ur music. 3] software makes creating music accesible to everyone hmmmmm id have to sort of agree as i started out on just rebirth. 4] software is easier to use that hardware no. thats crap. depends completely on the system, in fact id argue using hardware maybe simpler as you have faders/knobs all in front of u, rather than just 1 input being a mouse. 5] you can use software to do more than hardware no way!! hardware will always be more powerful, and sound better. for example, my sampler has 8 seperate outputs out the back - each going to its own channel in the mixer - so each can be eq-ed and sent to FX and mixed seperately... each machine doing what it has been built to do.... rather than an all in one box, with software patching which is sequencing/mixing/FX/EQ/ synth all at once whilst crashing. 6] software is cheaper than hardware nope! if you compare their prices properly (im not talking pirate software) cubase / reason / Halion are all f*cking expensive. 7] software takes up alot less space than hardware physical space yes, not memory. 8] software is the future ??? 9] you can get software anywhere not in afghanistan. 10] most artists use software in one way or another yep, and they also use hardware intensively. dont get me wrong, software is a f*cking inspiration, i love fruityloops for jamming due to its simplicity (drag n drop samples whereas with sampler not so easy), but compared to sampler/mixer/sequencer setup what it can do is VERY limited. creates good loops but in the end is a toy and i dont think ANY artist wud use it exclusively. execpt someone making cheesy house music maybe. :-) |
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rF from inside a speaker column on 2002-01-07 18:57 [#00066981] | |||||||||
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why dont we all agree that: SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE ARE EQUAL!!! |
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morg on 2002-01-07 19:07 [#00066983] | |||||||||
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hardware and software are essentially equal, as what really matters is how they are used. As for Fruity Loops, it is far less limiting than is obvious, but it takes a bit of digging to find all the features. |
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grinningcat from london UK on 2002-01-07 20:06 [#00066992] | |||||||||
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lol yeah sorry my reply did turn into a bit of an essay. yep they are equal, in that they compliment each other. u can do loads n loads on fruityloops, its my fave software, but i meant in terms of song structure it is limiting as u have to keep rigid in those loops, whereas in something like cubase u can timestrech n fuk up the time signatures and do lots of other poo like that. but fruityloops is definately FUN!!! |
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Penile Eggplant from prison on 2002-01-07 20:46 [#00067000] | |||||||||
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I've been into gear (hardware) for at least 12 years and I can say that nothing is more exciting now than the software coming out. IMO this stuff is beginning to run circles around Hardware. The only difference now-a-days is every monkey on the planet is trying to become a techno star -- and so much of it is shit. "1] aphex twin uses software. yes, and aphex uses a whole lotta hardware too. whats that thing his mum said - richard you have soo many machines or something. " -Yes, but he also has stated that his goal is to get everthing done on a laptop and he's probably closer to that than ever before. "5] you can use software to do more than hardware no way!! hardware will always be more powerful, and sound better. for example, my sampler has 8 seperate outputs out the back - each going to its own channel in the mixer - so each can be eq-ed and sent to FX and mixed seperately... each machine doing what it has been built to do.... rather than an all in one box, with software patching which is sequencing/mixing/FX/EQ/ synth all at once whilst crashing." -You can do the same thing with a semi-pro audio card with seperate outs or virutal outs in Cubase. No difference. Fuck your soundblaster! "6] software is cheaper than hardware nope! if you compare their prices properly (im not talking pirate software) cubase / reason / Halion are all f*cking expensive." You telling us that you can buy all the functionality of the above (in hardware) for less than the price of software versions -- no way! Sequencer, bunch of synths and a sampler -- you're dreaming and obviously don't know much about either hardware or software (at least pricing). "7] software takes up alot less space than hardware physical space yes, not memory. " What does memory have to do with it???? "9) you can get software anywhere not in afghanistan." Or hardware obviously. |
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cindy cenobyte from strasbourg france on 2002-01-07 21:32 [#00067010] | |||||||||
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fruity loops is shit,my girlfriend use it as a draw pad,she draws robots and it makes a stupid dance tune.haha |
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grinningcat from london UK on 2002-01-07 22:09 [#00067021] | |||||||||
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"6] software is cheaper than hardware You telling us that you can buy all the functionality of the above (in hardware) for less than the price of software versions -- no way! Sequencer, bunch of synths and a sampler -- you're dreaming and obviously don't know much about either hardware or software (at least pricing). the total price would be similar. especially if you buy hardware second hand like i do, (which there is loads of, in my experience due to rich b*stards buying loads of kit then realising they havnt a creative bone in their body). i would much rather pay a little extra for so much better quality sound. are you really telling me that any top-of-the-range soft synth sounds better than a top-of-the-range hard synth? or soft FX sound anywhere near as crisp and cut as hardware FX? if so, u obviously havent heard much in ur 12 odd years as u claim. "7] software takes up alot less space than hardware What does memory have to do with it???? Everything! for any such computer dedicated setup you need a whole lot of RAM and processing power, if u dont want the thing to come crumbling down. |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-07 22:31 [#00067024] | |||||||||
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well I don't have the money to spend on hardware or software... so if I can go online and download Fruityloops for free, and fiddle around with that, and get enjoyment from that, FOr FREE, then it's fine with me... |
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Oddioblender from from my own little phuqed up world on 2002-01-08 00:02 [#00067067] | |||||||||
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yeah, i agree with muir...... not so bad if you use your own sounds. It's damned good for sequencing. But i use Microsoft sound recorder for all my stuff, so i don't need that. If you want to hear what I've cranked out with it, listen to the Astroblaster(Overload the Phuqing Atari Mix) I did as Organ Grinder in the Custom Remixes section. |
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Ihokas on 2002-01-08 01:39 [#00067104] | |||||||||
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I think only thing what counts is artist using the software. I've heard lot of good abstract/experimental electronics made with FL. |
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Sido Dyas from An Imperial Cruiser on 2002-01-08 01:49 [#00067105] | |||||||||
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Check my INKEY$ vs COMPLEX EQUATION by Sido Dyas on soulseek. |
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dadonck on 2002-01-08 17:06 [#00067371] | |||||||||
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WHO IS A SITE WHERE I CAN DOWNLOAD MUSIC MADE WITH FRUITY LOOPS ??? |
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rF from inside a speaker column on 2002-01-08 17:27 [#00067376] | |||||||||
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most (i think) of the tefosav artists (www.tefosav.co.uk) use fruityloops |
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RA from A Rising Sun on 2002-01-09 02:30 [#00067523] | |||||||||
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What is this site abaout? There was no information available. The track on the radio was beautifull!!!! |
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